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Old 02-18-2015, 08:39 AM   #2507
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Great points.

For completely new track users, I like having them use the nannies for the first session or two. Often, newbies will do stuff you really don't expect and this can save your asses. (I've had a student dive-bomb a corner on lap 3 cause he thought he could go faster).

If they progress (some don't and just won't continue), then the nannies should come off as you are trying to get them to "feel" the car, and you can't do that with the car taking over certain functions and adding corrections.
Agreed! Until a brand new driver understands what line to follow and when to be on what pedal, it's MUCH safer for everyone for them to have the nannies fully on. They should be running at like 60% speed anyway, so the nannies won't be invasive unless they've really messed up.

Once you trust they know where to be and when, they need to learn car control with the nannies off. Ideally give them time on a skidpad to figure it out in a safer place, but that's not always an option.

Kinda related... any chance you'll be at the OTA event at Calabogie, hosted by MCO (August 1st/2nd)?
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:44 AM   #2508
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Thanks everyone for the advice. I will probably end up getting insurance just for peace of mind. I am pretty comfortable with the car, and my own limits. I think I'll probably start with everything on, and just start turning things off when I feel more confident with the course. Thunderhill seems pretty forgiving.

I'm still on the fence about camber bolts though. It makes sense how they would be useful, but would it really be necessary for someone who only goes to the track a couple times in a year? I would like to keep my car as stock as possible (aside from pads, fluids, tires, etc.). I also worry about the adjustment process with the bolts. I dont trust myself to make those kinds of changes to the suspension. Would it be beneficial to get an alignment on a stock car, or are they pretty dialed in from the factory?
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:49 AM   #2509
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Adding bolts is easy, but you will need to get an alignment done if you do add them.

My two cents would be to get an alignment anyway, so adding the bolts at the same time would be easy for the shop to do.
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Old 02-18-2015, 11:03 AM   #2510
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Bolts, yes. You'll wish for more eventually. Alignment is a huge piece of the puzzle.
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Thanks everyone for the advice. I will probably end up getting insurance just for peace of mind. I am pretty comfortable with the car, and my own limits. I think I'll probably start with everything on, and just start turning things off when I feel more confident with the course. Thunderhill seems pretty forgiving.

I'm still on the fence about camber bolts though. It makes sense how they would be useful, but would it really be necessary for someone who only goes to the track a couple times in a year? I would like to keep my car as stock as possible (aside from pads, fluids, tires, etc.). I also worry about the adjustment process with the bolts. I dont trust myself to make those kinds of changes to the suspension. Would it be beneficial to get an alignment on a stock car, or are they pretty dialed in from the factory?
You'll probably be fine without camber bolts for a few track days, but will have excessive wear on the outer edges of your front tires and possibly chunking over time.

This is the wear/chunking I was seeing on my front tires without camber bolts (after a few track days on these tires):

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AP Racing Pad Setup

Mike @ CSG..
Thanks very much for this thread, it has provided much help in setting up my car.

I'm getting ready to purchase the AP Racing Spring kit...
And I need a little help with the Pad setup, before I order.
I'll need 2 sets of pads, street pads & track pads..

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My wife and I have been heading out to Sebring about 5 or 6 weekends per year.
Car sees about 3.5 hrs/day on the track.
We have been running Cobalt XR2 pads, with RBF660 & TFWorks
brake ducts, but the brakes are still smoking after a 30 min session.
Definitely, time for the brake upgrade.
We are both, for the most part Novices.

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Old 02-18-2015, 07:54 PM   #2513
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I'm still on the fence about camber bolts though. It makes sense how they would be useful, but would it really be necessary for someone who only goes to the track a couple times in a year?
My experience, I wore out a set of NT01 tires in 5 track days with out them!
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Old 02-18-2015, 11:35 PM   #2514
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How important is to install Race Oil Pan (have oil pressure gauge)? (My first boxer engine) Is it so so necessary with following setup? hankook rs3 z222 225/45, rpf1 17 7,5j, stock at the moment brakes, race pads, sport suspension (local Russian brand).



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Oil pan? Based on how few mentions I've seen, not very important at all. You don't mention brake fluid, is that changed? An oil cooler is probably worth adding if you're getting enough track time.

Have you read this? If not, do so. I think it has the answers and more.

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What are the signs/symptoms of the Sprint Brake Kit needing an overhaul? Should one give them a regular service before an issue appears?

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Pistons that don't consistently retract when you're pushing them back in. Symptoms will be uneven brake pad wear (compare all the pads). Uneven brake pad wear on ALL the pads indicates you're going beyond the capability of the pads. Single pad or side uneven wear is a sign you may need a rebuild.
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Mike @ CSG..
Thanks very much for this thread, it has provided much help in setting up my car.

I'm getting ready to purchase the AP Racing Spring kit...
And I need a little help with the Pad setup, before I order.
I'll need 2 sets of pads, street pads & track pads..

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My wife and I have been heading out to Sebring about 5 or 6 weekends per year.
Car sees about 3.5 hrs/day on the track.
We have been running Cobalt XR2 pads, with RBF660 & TFWorks
brake ducts, but the brakes are still smoking after a 30 min session.
Definitely, time for the brake upgrade.
We are both, for the most part Novices.

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Old 02-19-2015, 05:08 AM   #2517
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I've ordered already oil cooler from forester. Brake fluid will be changed as soon as possible too.
I was worried about oil pan because of subaru engine rumors.
Mike, do you have race oil pan on your BRZ/GT86?
What oil pan issues are you referencing?

The only slightly related oil pan issue I know about is the oil pickup failing on other Subaru's.
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Any recommendations for a tire with a minimum 220 tread wear rating?
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I've ordered already oil cooler from forester. Brake fluid will be changed as soon as possible too.
I was worried about oil pan because of subaru engine rumors.
Mike, do you have race oil pan on your BRZ/GT86?
Nope, we run the stock oil pan.
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