Civic Type R Thread Bash Troll

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by acro

Some would argue the gti dsg has a clutch and is therefore not a true auto.

Yep very true.

I just consider it an auto though personally. In terms of fun and driver involvement, there's pretty much no difference between it and a standard auto with paddle shifters. It shifts much quicker than a regular auto, but it's not any more fun.

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by acro

Some would argue the gti dsg has a clutch and is therefore not a true auto.

For me the line between auto and manual has always been any transmission capable of changing gears without direct mechanical driver input, is an automatic.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Poodles

They changed the tires, making the results not comparable to their older tests as tires have gotten better.


Only way to do tests like these is with all the cars on the same type of tire...

The tires are what the standard tires are on the car.

By the same logic, every Tsukuba and top gear lap time is void because they're on different tires.

[themadscientist]

I'd agree with that.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

The tires are what the standard tires are on the car.

By the same logic, every Tsukuba and top gear lap time is void because they're on different tires.

No, they're not, watch the video again. They change the tires.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Poodles

No, they're not, watch the video again. They change the tires.

Yeah they switch from an optional all season tire to the standard summer tire.

Refer to 16:40 in the video.

Furthermore, the car doesn't have any weight advantages, it's down in power compared to the other cars, and it has fail wheel drive/wrong wheel drive. Suzuka is a fairly high speed circuit.

The fact is it outperformed the other cars. A properly setup fwd chassis can easily beat cars that are rwd or awd.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by acro

Which track. I'm curious to know. A stock frs is faster on a track

It won't matter...

as long as I'm driving!

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

The fact is it outperformed the other cars. A properly setup fwd chassis can easily beat cars that are rwd or awd.

As it turns out, I have this very thing on video!


Here's a video of a 116WHP (dynojet) CRX on Toyos that out qualifies a field of RWD cars, several with more tire underneath them and better PtW ratings too. The Datsun is a ITS car, the CRX is an ITA car (ITA < ITS). The other cars on the grid: Spec Miatas and PRO44's (Porsche 944s). The 944s and the Z are much more powerful with better PTW, the spec miatas most closely reflect the PWT of the CRX.

Here's the video from the viewpoint of the 3rd place car, a 944. The orange car is the CRX up front battling with the Datsun Z.

[ame]http://vimeo.com/106870269[/ame]



BTW: The CRX did lose to the more powerful Datsun by... 0.006 of second. He had the motor and the draft heading on the final straight. That one hurt.


EDIT: this video also makes a point that was raised in the Miata thread about lightness. Someone alluded to the idea that a car with a lower PTW wouldn't be as fast a car with a greater PTW around a track. I countered with: "Power makes you fast in a straight line, lightness makes you fast everywhere." As you can see by the Datsun he was much more powerful in the straight but things changed. The 944's are more powerful in a straight line but weight of my car lends itself to higher speeds at corner apex and exit which then act like "compound interest" going down the straight.

[Superhatch]

I love that WEC allows for so many variations on car design.

It will be spectacular if the GTR has a win at all as a FWD car. It blew my mind when I realized they were going FWD.

[GhostRai]

Bring back the 9000rpm rev limiter damn it

[Dave-ROR]

This thread makes me laugh, especially some of the price guesses.