MR2 died, replacement?

[dem00n]

Engine in the middle?

Huh...i think Toyota made another one of those...




Get some revalved Bilstein struts, custom spring rate, adjust the camber and a few bolt ons, you'll have a faster car than your MR2

God, i wish i wasn't serious.

Edit: Oh shit! Perfect!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Previ...US_Cars_Trucks

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Honestly it's not a problem in CA, smog shops have no clue what the difference is and just assume the Spyder has a powerful motor because it looks fast.

I'm slightly obsessed with having the engine behind my head. FR is okay, I've been in Miatas and a Z3M and stuff but it's just not the same. I like the FRS but not enough to drop 17k. Maybe when they're down to like 10, it's definitely not the kind of car I'd want to keep for a long time.

I'm hesitant on the 2ZZ because it's an old engine and this is an old car. The auto industry has really made a lot of progress; the new Honda engines are amazing, the new Mazda engines are amazing, and the next crop of Toyota engines sound really promising too. Even the GR, ZR, AR, and NR are a huge improvement over the ZZ, MZ, AZ and NZ engines. Way better torque and efficiency. If I do an engine swap I'd want to keep the car for a long time and I would prefer to have a newer engine design in there.

Sounds like you decided on the 2GR. Good choice. I expect to see one mocked up in the Spyder by this time next week, Serial.

Carry on.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by dem00n

Engine in the middle?

Huh...i think Toyota made another one of those...




Get some revalved Bilstein struts, custom spring rate, adjust the camber and a few bolt ons, you'll have a faster car than your MR2

God, i wish i wasn't serious.

Edit: Oh shit! Perfect!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-Previ...US_Cars_Trucks

Also positive displacement supercharger. He likes those too.

[serialk11r]

@Dimman

LOL very funny :P

Supercharged 2GR Spyder would go through more tire money than gas money lol.

[dem00n]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Also positive displacement supercharger. He likes those too.

The best part it is that people actually modify the Previa.

You can browse around forums and see people do headwork, pulleys, intercoolers and aftermarket computers for tuning.

I became obsessed with them after seeing one on the road with 800,000 miles.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Put a turbo K24 in the MR-S.

:p

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Put a turbo K24 in the MR-S.

:p

A modest 15k proposal :P

Non-Toyota 4 cyl swaps are expensive. Don't get me wrong, I would choose a Honda motor any day if they didn't need new axles, transmission, and a million other parts. Any relatively recent Honda engine is better than any of the Toyota options.

[cdrazic93]

F22C!!

Lol toyota "4U-GSE"

[strat61caster]

Sounds like you'll be in another MRS honestly, you want an upgrade but on a budget, hard to do.

Cheap mid-engined is tough these days, you either go >25 year old, MRS or Boxster.

You can pick up an early Boxster (bottom dollar is right around $10k now) and it would definitely be an upgrade in every way but by the time you're done with it you may have spent Toyobaru money in upkeep.

Reliable Performance: Miata and Z3, easy to step into for you, lateral move.

Reliable Practical Fun: I think most things have been mentioned except Mazda Protege 5 and Mazda 3, Mazdaspeed3 if you have the budget. The right WRX might be perfect but even early ones will probably feel like pigs in comparison.

It's one of those things where as you cast a wide net you'll get a smattering, once you figure out what you really want though you can focus and get a broad selection.

Originally Posted by Rampage

The 2ZZ is a great option for many Spyder owners but not so good in CA because of the emission restrictions.

California is actually not too bad on engine swaps, if the engine is the same age or newer than the car it is going into and you retain all the engine's emissions equipment and you pass the sniffer then you're good to go.

Given that the 2ZZ was sold in the Matrix, Celica, Corolla and Lotus all passing emissions it should be relatively straightforward swap once you got your hands on the right transmission and axles and such. Unless you import from Japan and have to hunt down US emissions equipment or hodge-podge stuff together, then it'll probably be a nightmare.

[hmong337]

Dude seriously. All you need is a hardtop, stock 2zz swap, then use the 5mt for the time being till you can go C60.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeRVMuMdVc

Brakes, tires, suspension, seat time and your mr-s will crush EVERY FT86 that isn't turbo/super.

I was never an mrspyder guy. I'm part of that group that calls them "girly cars". But I will admit to wanting to own one eventually. You're right, cargo is a 0.5/10 when it comes to space and I would use it as a 4th or 5th car if anything. But a 2200lbs chassis with a turbocharged 2zz sitting behind you would actually be pretty damn good bang-for-buck if you ask anybody.

I sense you are bored with the sypder as I was with my sw20 so I got the FRS for something refreshing. Personally, I stick with the mr-s if you can swing two cars. A beater for daily and the mr-s for project. Pretty much what I have done my entire life with my sw20. But if it's you're only car, $5k for something sporty points me towards the Honda fwd stuff. They'll have the space you need in a DD, get good mileage, and Vtaaaaaack. Unless you can find an unadulterated 240sx, GC impreza, or a clean non-turbo sw20, $5k buys you a lot of fwd Honda.

I seriously wish I could take that spyder shell of your hands. One with a blown 1zz is exactly how I would buy one.

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by hmong337

I sense you are bored with the sypder as I was with my sw20 so I got the FRS for something refreshing.

I seriously wish I could take that spyder shell of your hands. One with a blown 1zz is exactly how I would buy one.

Nah I'm not bored, I love how it drives, I just probably have to get rid of it since I might have to move after graduation and the unpracticality is kind of annoying. I've nerfed most of the rattles and the power is almost adequate (needs a 6 speed for the tighter ratios, better low end and top end would be nice). I would honestly be extremely happy with a tuned 2ZR with rev limit raised a little. A 2ZZ modified to my liking would be nice too.

I need to get the C60 because 1. I want to get rid of the 5 speed at some point anyways because I hate the ratios and 2. the transmission already has 147k and probably needs to go soon anyways.

I'm hoping there are a lot of people with the idea of throwing a K20 into a Spyder shell or something like that, this car is perfect for throwing old parts out and rebuilding.

One car I considered was a 2015 WRX, but then I saw one on the road and the rear end of that thing is just so ugly...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Nah I'm not bored, I love how it drives, I just probably have to get rid of it since I might have to move after graduation and the unpracticality is kind of annoying. I've nerfed most of the rattles and the power is almost adequate (needs a 6 speed for the tighter ratios, better low end and top end would be nice). I would honestly be extremely happy with a tuned 2ZR with rev limit raised a little. A 2ZZ modified to my liking would be nice too.

I need to get the C60 because 1. I want to get rid of the 5 speed at some point anyways because I hate the ratios and 2. the transmission already has 147k and probably needs to go soon anyways.

I'm hoping there are a lot of people with the idea of throwing a K20 into a Spyder shell or something like that, this car is perfect for throwing old parts out and rebuilding.

One car I considered was a 2015 WRX, but then I saw one on the road and the rear end of that thing is just so ugly...

Just get your job mathematically hustling money markets then buy that GT4 Cayman.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

California is actually not too bad on engine swaps, if the engine is the same age or newer than the car it is going into and you retain all the engine's emissions equipment and you pass the sniffer then you're good to go.

Given that the 2ZZ was sold in the Matrix, Celica, Corolla and Lotus all passing emissions it should be relatively straightforward swap once you got your hands on the right transmission and axles and such. Unless you import from Japan and have to hunt down US emissions equipment or hodge-podge stuff together, then it'll probably be a nightmare.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

California is actually not too bad on engine swaps, if the engine is the same age or newer than the car it is going into and you retain all the engine's emissions equipment and you pass the sniffer then you're good to go.

Given that the 2ZZ was sold in the Matrix, Celica, Corolla and Lotus all passing emissions it should be relatively straightforward swap once you got your hands on the right transmission and axles and such. Unless you import from Japan and have to hunt down US emissions equipment or hodge-podge stuff together, then it'll probably be a nightmare.

Oh, I know it can be done but I have read many horror stories of guys trying to get them by the inspectors in CA. Some have even given up and sold them. The major drawback is that it adds expense to the swap. Things like exhaust manifolds have be fabricated because swap headers are not allowed (unless you can hide them under a heatshield to get by visual). You have to run the factory catalytic converter which kills performance (I know you can switch it out after each inspection). Etc. etc.

It is just a lot easier and cheaper in every other state.

If I lived in CA, I would drive a FR-S instead. Less hassle with somewhat comparable performance and great handling.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Dude seriously. All you need is a hardtop, stock 2zz swap, then use the 5mt for the time being till you can go C60.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeRVMuMdVc

Brakes, tires, suspension, seat time and your mr-s will crush EVERY FT86 that isn't turbo/super.

I was never an mrspyder guy. I'm part of that group that calls them "girly cars". But I will admit to wanting to own one eventually. You're right, cargo is a 0.5/10 when it comes to space and I would use it as a 4th or 5th car if anything. But a 2200lbs chassis with a turbocharged 2zz sitting behind you would actually be pretty damn good bang-for-buck if you ask anybody.

I sense you are bored with the sypder as I was with my sw20 so I got the FRS for something refreshing. Personally, I stick with the mr-s if you can swing two cars. A beater for daily and the mr-s for project. Pretty much what I have done my entire life with my sw20. But if it's you're only car, $5k for something sporty points me towards the Honda fwd stuff. They'll have the space you need in a DD, get good mileage, and Vtaaaaaack. Unless you can find an unadulterated 240sx, GC impreza, or a clean non-turbo sw20, $5k buys you a lot of fwd Honda.

I seriously wish I could take that spyder shell of your hands. One with a blown 1zz is exactly how I would buy one.

You have to grow up a little to where you stop calling cars girly or gey before you are allowed to experience the joys of a MR-S. . If you really want to drool then take a look at Spyderchats' For Sale section right now. There is a supercharged 2ZZ (310WHP) 2001 MR-S hard top with all the goodies for sale right now for $14K. You could not build a car like it for anywhere near that. It is a steal!

Here is a short vid of it running on a track day after it was finished.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXUfecIHQQc#t=43"]20140208 Track Day - The Drivers Edge, MSR Cresson 1.7CW, Yellow, Session 1 - YouTube[/ame]