Why Innovate supercharger?

[whitedc5]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I have no idea what the word is on the sprintex kit. Is it CARB exempt? is it Pending? I keep getting different answers from different people.

For us Cali guys (who care about legality), that is one reason NOT to get the innovate kit over the JR kit.

My issue with the Sprintex right now is that it seems as if the company won't take ownership of their product and provide adequate support/service like jackson racing/CSG.

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

So, I'm not best at wording things, most of you innovate owners may hate me but I'm simply asking question not just from you guys, but from people who have driven/have multiple SC kits aside from Innovate.

Okay so I watched this video.

It's that SubaruWRXfan guy who some how got his fans to buy him a 2015 Mustang.

His Youtube fans really bought him a new Mustang? Really? How do you know that? Did he mention it in one of his videos?

If that's true, that's pretty fucking retarded.

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

I currently have a vehicle with a twin screw blower and one with a centrifugal charger (Kraftwerks) The twin screw powered vehicle feels like your riding a wave of torque almost everywhere but feels pretty anemic at high RPMs. It suits a daily driver and big vehicle in my opinion.

My BRZ has the Kraftwerks C38 kit on it, nothing crazy. It still feels naturally aspirated in terms of where the torque is, and its not as suited to daily driving (which I don't anyway).

What do you plan to use your car for? There's pros and cons for both kits.

What makes you say the Kraftwerks SC is not suited for DD-ing? I'm sure people can get used to the increased torque and adjust their driving to it.

[mokinbird87]

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Well then! Thanks for the information.

Yeah some of you could say that if I wanted more horses and power then I bought the wrong car
The reason why I was asking, was mainly because I looked at it this way.

If you're going FI route, one of the biggest reasons someone would do it is because to get more power. So that's why I was thinking if youre going to spend 4K on a innovate kit why not spend that same 4K on a Jackson and get much more Horses.

But yeah personal preferences lol.

go turbo if you want big power, dont have to deal with CARB, and you want the best bang for your money. the reason why someone would choose a supercharger over a turbo is for the response (I would assume), which I think innovate provides. to me, same cars can have exactly the same horsepower and torque figures but it`s all about the curve. Innovate kit feels most like the naturally aspirated engine to me, which is important.

[SteveIsBored]

I agree with turbo that's why I bought one. Who cares about the track and setting world records I'm all about making this car exciting and turbo does that well. Plus off boost this car drives normal and gets good fuel economy if that matters.

[Chad86]

Originally Posted by jwvand02

I'll throw my two cents in. Full disclosure, I am an innovate/sprintex owner.

Basically, my car is 99.9% a street car. I drive it every day there's not snow or ice or a ton of water on the ground. I also have E85 very readily available.

On E85, the Innovate kit pushes very close to 300whp, depending on tune. In my opinion, that's the sweet spot for this car. Any more power and you really have to start beefing up the drivetrain. Anymore than that, and you're going to roast anything less than 255s.

So the Innovate kit is the most fun option for me. I can jab the throttle at 2.5k and spin the rear tires. I've got as much power as I really want and I have it very early. Compared to a centrifugal kit at the same power level, the area under the curve, and therefore the felt acceleration, is higher, especially from a low RPM.

I am pretty sure I am going to pull the trigger on the Sprintex Supercharger. How is the torque in the upper RPM range?

[xuimod]

Originally Posted by Chad86

I am pretty sure I am going to pull the trigger on the Sprintex Supercharger. How is the torque in the upper RPM range?

Looking at a dyno chart should tell you that.

Check out this thread.

From the dyno, torque seems to peak and hold steady at about 190 ft-lbs from 4.5k to 6k. And after 6k, TQ seems to slightly decrease. But the drop in TQ is small enough that you probably wouldn't even notice it.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Because at the end of the day, there is no replacement for displacement....

The wide, flat torque curves are actually manufacturers chasing emissions and MPG ratings, rather than "driveability", for the most part. I wouldn't call a EJ257 with a powerband of 4k-6k wide and flat Or a 4G63 in an Evo. Or the M133 in the CLA45 AMG.

I do agree, big flat powerbands are nice for street driving, but I don't think that's why most people decided to purchase a FRS/BRZ.

The big difference in driveability is not that the Innovate makes more power down low, but that the Innovate's throttle tip in is ultra aggressive. If you do a 20-80 3rd gear (MT) pull in a Vortech vs Innovate car, the Innovate never pulls more than about 3-4 feet before the Vortech starts reeling in the Innovate car.

Likewise, if you do a 20-80 pull in a VQ35DE 350Z vs AP2 S2000, the 350Z doesn't actually ever get more than about 5 feet ahead, before the S2k wizzes by.

In both cases, the Innovate and 350z *feel* subjectively much more powerful at low RPMs.

In my case, I'm never in the 1500-2500RPM range unless I'm strictly cruising; downshifting to accelerate comes naturally to me, and a 3 gear downshift isn't out of the ordinary when I'm driving.

Why do you prefer to not downshift for a pass street driving? Inconvenience? An Auto (or twin cluch in some other platforms) would fix that...

Different strokes for different folks.

This is why I swapped from innovate twin screw to turbokit (was also considering a centrifugal sc).

The max amount of power I could make on the twin screw was 230 whp dynojet on 91 oct even with the intercooler.

I also realized when I was driving spiritedly(or tracking) I was never in the low rpms. That is what you buy a FI kit for right? To enjoy driving spiritedly more?

Don't get me wrong, I was pretty happy and excited to have any kind of FI on the car at all. After a few months the novelty of the "low end torque" wore off completely and I was stuck with a kit that heat soaked and performed inadequately on the circuits we have out here.

One moment stands out to me where I was behind a stock BRZ coming onto the front straight and our acceleration down the front straight was almost identical... I wasn't datalogging but I am sure the ecu was pulling timing due to heat/knock. I expected to pass the BRZ at least by the end of the straight but couldn't. I never got to try it with e85 and in some ways I do wish I did. I probably would have enjoyed it more and maybe, just maybe I would have left it on the car.

Anyways, if you just like putting around town and you don't do much "sports" driving, then the twin screw is nice.

[themajesticone]

You could easily search date ranges and come to a conclusion

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by xuimod

His Youtube fans really bought him a new Mustang? Really? How do you know that? Did he mention it in one of his videos?

If that's true, that's pretty fucking retarded.

Here you go, they helped him that is for sure.

https://fundanything.com/en/campaign...stang-ecoboost

[SteveIsBored]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Here you go, they helped him that is for sure.

https://fundanything.com/en/campaign...stang-ecoboost

At the bottom it mentions a reward for the donation? Why would anybody give him money? It's pretty hilarious to watch him giggle like a little girl when he hits boost.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by SteveIsBored

At the bottom it mentions a reward for the donation? Why would anybody give him money? It's pretty hilarious to watch him giggle like a little girl when he hits boost.

How would I know, I didn't give him any.

[Simplicity]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Here you go, they helped him that is for sure.

https://fundanything.com/en/campaign...stang-ecoboost

Taking advantage of his followers.. lol pathetic. He' s already making money from the ads in his video and yet, he wants his fan to donate.. Not donate for people in need of money, but donate so he can spoil himself with a brand new car.. wow

[Alltezza]

Yeah I used to be subcribed to him on youtube, and then for some reason he sold his damn BRZ because of "financial issues" and then buys a damn Mini cooper after almost 90% of his fans told him not to buy it because unreliability issues and shit. And he bought it anyways and then BAM he's having all kinds of issues.

And then he decides he wants a Mustang, which pissed me off because he conned enough people to donate 6000 dollars to him so he can buy it. I was more upset that he just didn't rebuy his BRZ because a huge majority of his followers found him because of his BRZ.

But I was looking up superchargers and then I saw there was an Innovate SC review and there he was so I just watched it. Lol but before I shared the video I thought I'd let some people know about him before they decide to subscribe/follow him on youtube.

[weederr33]

I'm not gonna lie, I like his videos. Sure he shouldn't have bought the mustang (for quite a few reasons), and funding to get it was kinda dumb, but I don't really care. In my opinion, he should have bought another BRZ and then added a SC. Oh well. I've seen a few of his posts on these forums haha