Acura NSX Approved for Production! Concept to Appear at 2012 Detroit Show

[CyberFormula]

I'm ready for their Civic type R ...

2015 COME ON!

[Thehermdawg]

I'm nowhere near excited for the NSX. We've seen this design for so long, I won't say its dated but we are all already familiar with it. With all the hybrid tech, its going to be hopelessly heavy. And we all know that no matter what, weight slows down a car and ruins handling. It'll be like the R35 GTR, a technical exercise that performs great, but will lack the soul of its predecessor.

[Levi]

Anyone who doesn't like the new NSX just doesn't understand anything about the last one. I'm surpised about this from so called enthusiasts.

Those who can't afford the new NSX - I'm one of them - couldn't afford one back in those days. By the way, in the mean time some might have lost their job, other might have advanced in their career.

The GT-R R35 doesn't even deserve being compared to the new NSX, let us first wait for the next GT-R R36. There are 4 cards left on the deck: R8, 458 replacement, new GT, and Sports Series. By the end of 2016, all will be open and we can see who wins, I bet on new NSX.

The Supra will costs less and offer less performance.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

at this point we are comparing marketing and PR we don't have anything else, in most people's eyes Honda whiffed this week, we all know what's important and we are all eagerly awaiting the result.

Yep agree with this part fully. I guess it's interesting comparing Acura's marketing strategy vs. Ford's, but honestly I don't care which company got the marketing right, I care which one got the car right.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I don't see any issues with the king of all track cars...

Two thoughts immediately came to mind. First is a stereotype and doesn't need to be repeated here Second is that this just reminds me of the start of one of those Kids "Fun Runs."

Originally Posted by strat61caster

To your point and @DarkSunrise
Yes, Honda made a truly great car 25 years ago. Today they've got a concept that shows some promise but at this point is fundamentally >5 years old (powertrain revisions and advances aside)...

To be factual, the technology driving the NSX (at least on the electric side) is over 175 years old (first commercial DC motor was invented in 1832). So in reality, the technology has been around for a long time and any advancements is really in line with battery technology and/or slight decreases in motor size. Keep in mind, if I understand correctly, that the new NSX will be driven by both electric and combustion motors. This is still frontier technology as far as supercars, so saying Honda is behind is unfair until we start seeing road tests.

Originally Posted by Thehermdawg

I'm nowhere near excited for the NSX. We've seen this design for so long, I won't say its dated but we are all already familiar with it. With all the hybrid tech, its going to be hopelessly heavy. And we all know that no matter what, weight slows down a car and ruins handling. It'll be like the R35 GTR, a technical exercise that performs great, but will lack the soul of its predecessor.

Again with this argument, which is based off of cars like the Prius, Insight, and Volt. Yes, batteries add weight, but there are developments every year that decrease the size of the necessary battery pack. Weight can affect handling, but does have some beneficial effects. Frankly, its more about balance than how much weight is involved. A well-balanced heavy car will usually outperform an unbalanced light car.

Considering we don't even know the production weight of this car, I think, like most of the other slams on this car, its premature to assume that the handling is "ruined" simply because its a hybrid.

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Levi

Anyone who doesn't like the new NSX just doesn't understand anything about the last one. I'm surpised about this from so called enthusiasts.

Those who can't afford the new NSX - I'm one of them - couldn't afford one back in those days. By the way, in the mean time some might have lost their job, other might have advanced in their career.

The GT-R R35 doesn't even deserve being compared to the new NSX, let us first wait for the next GT-R R36. There are 4 cards left on the deck: R8, 458 replacement, new GT, and Sports Series. By the end of 2016, all will be open and we can see who wins, I bet on new NSX.

The Supra will costs less and offer less performance.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. The only thing the new nsx shares with the original is the name. The new nsx doesn't even share the spirit of the old. Unless you want to say being a halo car is its "spirit".

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

I have no idea what you are trying to say. The only thing the new nsx shares with the original is the name. The new nsx doesn't even share the spirit of the old. Unless you want to say being a halo car is its "spirit".

Bullshit. It's still a RWD, mid-engine "affordable" (relatively) supercar.

It's AWD only in the sense of the electric motors. It's still predominantly RWD. It's just following the trends of other mid-engine supercars... for good reason, to push technology forward...... and because it works.

The original NSX is a fantastic car. Expensive, yes. But I'd buy one way way before a Supra. The only thing it's missing is power. They are fearsome cars with added power... Not much can compete with them when it comes to handling and stability.

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by Levi

Anyone who doesn't like the new NSX just doesn't understand anything about the last one. I'm surpised about this from so called enthusiasts.

Those who can't afford the new NSX - I'm one of them - couldn't afford one back in those days. By the way, in the mean time some might have lost their job, other might have advanced in their career.

The GT-R R35 doesn't even deserve being compared to the new NSX, let us first wait for the next GT-R R36. There are 4 cards left on the deck: R8, 458 replacement, new GT, and Sports Series. By the end of 2016, all will be open and we can see who wins, I bet on new NSX.

The Supra will costs less and offer less performance.

I believe the R35 is quicker than everything you mentioned around most tracks (Not a fanboy, I honestly hate that fucking thing). And the smart money is on the GT being the quickest of the bunch, because it'll be lighter, and more powerful, and have meaningful downforce, and be well balanced.

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Bullshit. It's still a RWD, mid-engine "affordable" (relatively) supercar.

It's AWD only in the sense of the electric motors. It's still predominantly RWD. It's just following the trends of other mid-engine supercars... for good reason, to push technology forward...... and because it works.

The original NSX is a fantastic car. Expensive, yes. But I'd buy one way way before a Supra. The only thing it's missing is power. They are fearsome cars with added power... Not much can compete with them when it comes to handling and stability.

Sorry, perhaps you need a definition of what "Rear Wheel Drive" means, generally it means power goes only to the rear wheels.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by Thehermdawg

I'm nowhere near excited for the NSX. We've seen this design for so long, I won't say its dated but we are all already familiar with it. With all the hybrid tech, its going to be hopelessly heavy. And we all know that no matter what, weight slows down a car and ruins handling. It'll be like the R35 GTR, a technical exercise that performs great, but will lack the soul of its predecessor.

Wow I never thought I'd see the day where I would defend the R35 GT-R.

The R35 is a GT-R through and through. I think the reason why many of us felt "let down" by the R35 is because we put the R34 up on a pedestal. It was a car we could only see in movies or videogames. if we could actually touch one, let alone drive one, it would be like finding the Ark of the Covenant while simultaneously finding Altantis and figuring out the secret of the Nazca Lines, something truly special.

When in reality the R34 was just a normal fast car.

So when it was announced that the world would finally get the GT-R we all thought we'd feel that special feeling we all wanted, and then the reviews came in. They praised the R35's speed, practicality, responsiveness, and power. bust some claimed it lacked a soul.

I don't think that's necessarily true (at least not anymore). The amount of care that goes into making the GT-R can only be carried out by someone who truly loves what they're doing. Looking back at the GT-Rs of old what where they at their core? A normal Skyline with a bigger, better engine and tuned suspension while still practical and comfortable enough to be daily driven(Basically a Japanese Muscle car).

(they don't call it Godzilla for nothing).

So the R35 isn't an R34, it never tried to be and I don't think it should. You'll never progress in life if you just keep doing the same thing.


Now going to Honda and this new NSX. I see many opinions claiming it to be too heavy. We already know based on history it will be heavier than the original. No one can dispute that. But that doesn't mean it will be garbage. I predict it will weigh a tab over normal supercar weight (3,000-3,200) while still being nimble as all get out. Keep in mind, we're talking about Honda here, they know how to build a responsive engine.


but this is all speculation at this point. Honda hasn't released a full spec list yet and the car itself hasn't been road tested yet. So why condem this car when all we know is, it's the new NSX, it's Red, it'll be made in the US, it's a turbo V6, it's a type of hybrid, and it has a 9-speed transmission.

On the other side, what do we know about the Ford GT?

-It's the 3rd Gen Ford GT
-It's Blue
-It has a V6

and people are claiming it's better than the NSX

We don't know anything yet.

Both can be shit

Both can be great

Ford could be better than the NSX

NSX could be better than the Ford

or worse,

Both could be mediocre


In short, I believe the NSX will have a soul of it's own. It won't be the same as the gen1/2 and that's not a bad thing. At the end of the day, it will still be an NSX.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Decay107

Sorry, I believe the R35 is quicker than everything you mentioned around most tracks (Not a fanboy, I honestly hate that fucking thing). And the smart money is on the GT being the quickest of the bunch, because it'll be lighter, and more powerful, and have meaningful downforce, and be well balanced.



Sorry, perhaps you need a definition of what "Rear Wheel Drive" means, generally it means power goes only to the rear wheels.

A mid-engine RWD car with added electric motors in front to give "AWD" at times is far different and has different handling characteristics than your typical WRX or Evo. This is to enhance front-end grip and provide extra linear torque to fill the turbo lag gap. It won't be an under-steering rally-based pig. It's not a FWD econo car based AWD.

Sure, it's not a pure RWD experience, but as far as raw performance goes, it will have more grip and perform better. That's the way the technology is going, and the proof is in the cars already using it. Whether or not that dulls the excitement of controlling a high power RWD vehicle is another matter...

[strat61caster]

@HunterGreene I expected more from you. I seriously think less of any enthusiast who derides the Miata, but here is not the place. To the second thought, there are some 10 year olds who could probably kick all our asses 'round a track. I know kids who figured out car control before they could write cursive, nothing like seeing a 7 year old pop out of a car tell his dad he screwed it up and he better get rid of the understeer before the next heat.

2013 spec miata scca runoffs for reference, the real racing doesn't kick in until around 20 minutes.

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

A mid-engine RWD car with added electric motors in front to give "AWD" at times is far different and has different handling characteristics than your typical WRX or Evo. This is to enhance front-end grip and provide extra linear torque to fill the turbo lag gap. It won't be an under-steering rally-based pig. It's not a FWD econo car based AWD.

Sure, it's not a pure RWD experience, but as far as raw performance goes, it will have more grip and perform better. That's the way the technology is going, and the proof is in the cars already using it. Whether or not that dulls the excitement of controlling a high power RWD vehicle is another matter...

blah blah blah all four wheels have power driving them. Sheesh it's not like we're saying your mother's a whore.

[Decay107]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

Wow I never thought I'd see the day where I would defend the R35 GT-R. . .

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. . . At the end of the day, it will still be an NSX.

Because bench racing is about as close to driving either one of these cars as 99% of the folks here (myself included) will ever get. Of those that get to drive either one, maybe one guy will drive at more than 3/10ths and his name is Randy Pobst.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

@HunterGreene I expected more from you. I seriously think less of any enthusiast who derides the Miata, but here is not the place. To the second thought, there are some 10 year olds who could probably kick all our asses 'round a track. I know kids who figured out car control before they could write cursive, nothing like seeing a 7 year old pop out of a car tell his dad he screwed it up and he better get rid of the understeer before the next heat.

2013 spec miata scca runoffs for reference, the real racing doesn't kick in until around 20 minutes.

Don't worry, your faith isn't shaken, I was joking. I respect the Miata as a racer, stereotypes aside. And there are plenty of kids out there that are better drivers than I am. I was simply referring to the pint-sized nature of a pack of Miata's starting a race, like a bunch of excited kids streaming through a starting gate. No disrespect meant

[Levi]

If the NSX were like the original one, it would not be a worthy NSX successor. Original NSX fans learn your facts.

While the new NSX could be a failure, until we have more specs and more importantly test, we can't decide how good it is. But from the little we know it looks to be the best recent sportscars.