KW V3 Coilovers Released for FR-S / BRZ

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RYU

^^ re: preload, I know.. some people like the increased droop travel. Maybe i'm just old school *shrug*

I'm very eager to be proven wrong. That just means more selection for us; the consumer. I'm just shocked KW is selling their V3s for $2400. With all the volume this car should do i'd have thought their intro price would be closer to $1800. I'd consider them for $1800 and like I said, I don't think they are bad. It's just sometimes annoying to see the "Group Think" mentality from people who don't know what they're buying but see people on forums rave about a product to try to validate their $2400 purchase.

Btw... last I checked.. upgrading the springs on the V3 was something like a $300 option. That just puts your price at $2700 doesn't it? Perhaps i'm missing something.

2400 SRP doesn't mean 2400 street price.. S2000 V3s are also 2400 SRP but when I owned my S I almost bought them a few times for 2000-2100. Yes, there are plenty of places that list them for SRP but they'll make deals with buyers or they'll lose a sale.

I doubt I'd ever be happy with ANY OTS spring rates so replacing the springs with ERS or other options is going to happen no matter what option I go with (I'd be surprised if I found a OTS system I actually end up being happy with without changes).

When I used to heavily track my current DD I had multiple sets of springs that I would use depending on the track. I won't get that crazy with the FR-S/BRZ though..

My opinion is still that for ~2k these aren't bad threaded body coilovers. I'll either be running a lot less.. or more.. but that doesn't make these a bad deal if they suit your needs IMO.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by RYU

Btw... last I checked.. upgrading the springs on the V3 was something like a $300 option. That just puts your price at $2700 doesn't it? Perhaps i'm missing something.

Well if you're looking for something a little more track oriented and customized...you could just step it up to our RCE Tarmac 2's (based on KW) and get customized valving, customized spring rates, etc.

Still working on them though. So I'll shut up.

- Andrew

[RYU]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

2400 SRP doesn't mean 2400 street price.. S2000 V3s are also 2400 SRP but when I owned my S I almost bought them a few times for 2000-2100. Yes, there are plenty of places that list them for SRP but they'll make deals with buyers or they'll lose a sale.

No one pays full price... well, with my poor circle of friends we don't. I'm just using MSRP as a point of comparison.

[RYU]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Well if you're looking for something a little more track oriented and customized...you could just step it up to our RCE Tarmac 2's (based on KW) and get customized valving, customized spring rates, etc.

Still working on them though. So I'll shut up.

- Andrew

Very interested to see your results

My buddy has a set on his STi and it was a lot of fun.

[blu_]

Originally Posted by RYU

It's just sometimes annoying to see the "Group Think" mentality from people who don't know what they're buying but see people on forums rave about a product to try to validate their $2400 purchase.

You can say that about anything though really. TBH from my forum whoring experience I tend to see it a lot when it comes to people buying the cheaper bc/stance/ect coils, though it's pretty obvious you are smarter than that.

While their pricing has crept up over the last few years, I think that is on par with most of their competitors as well.

On this car I will probably just end up buying springs and then upgrading to some nice struts/shocks.

[SonnyBRZ]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Well if you're looking for something a little more track oriented and customized...you could just step it up to our RCE Tarmac 2's (based on KW) and get customized valving, customized spring rates, etc.

Still working on them though. So I'll shut up.

- Andrew

Take my money please!

[Turbowned]

EPIC!!!

[SAP]

Originally Posted by RYU

and of course i'm the only one who thinks KW V3s are grossly overpriced

No, I was just think to myself.
How can KW possibly think that the materials and labor expense in 10 sets of springs be equel to the materials and labor expense of a complete GT86/BRZ?
10% the cost of the entire car?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by SAP

No, I was just think to myself.
How can KW possibly think that the materials and labor expense in 10 sets of springs be equel to the materials and labor expense of a complete GT86/BRZ?
10% the cost of the entire car?

That's kind of a pointless arguement. There are $6k shocks out there for cars that cost anywhere from $1k used to $100k+. The value of the vehicle doesn't define the R&D, parts cost, labor cost, overhead costs and profit for aftermarket parts.

[Sully]

Besides which, while they may or may not be unreasonably priced for their quality They're well within the norm if you compare their prices against their competitors.

And hell, people pay $2k for a single motorcycle shock/spring. :P

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by RYU

It's just sometimes annoying to see the "Group Think" mentality from people who don't know what they're buying but see people on forums rave about a product to try to validate their $2400 purchase.

If you're going to bust out the psychology, be correct. It's not groupthink, it's actually a form of dissonance reduction in cognitive dissonance.

[RYU]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That's kind of a pointless arguement. There are $6k shocks out there for cars that cost anywhere from $1k used to $100k+. The value of the vehicle doesn't define the R&D, parts cost, labor cost, overhead costs and profit for aftermarket parts.

I think saying it's pointless is kind of harsh...

He does bring up a good point in that for a relatively cheap car spending 10% of the cars value on just a set of coilovers sort of makes you think twice. It certainly makes me think twice about just keeping the OEM set in there or go on the cheap and get a set of Koni or Bilsteins.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by SAP

No, I was just think to myself.
How can KW possibly think that the materials and labor expense in 10 sets of springs be equel to the materials and labor expense of a complete GT86/BRZ?
10% the cost of the entire car?

$2k range isn't asking much for coilovers that actually improve the handling. IMO it's best to stick with high quality suspension items or stay with OEM. I never understood why people would just use lowering springs on cars with handling as there high selling point

[RYU]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

If you're going to bust out the psychology, be correct. It's not groupthink, it's actually a form of dissonance reduction in cognitive dissonance.

say what Willis?