anyone trying to use the openflash tablet with forced induction?

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I walked into this position because my best friend of 17 years died of blocked arteries and a heart attack suddenly at 33. I got the position more because of how quickly I can learn and solve problems that I don't have experience with...well that and I have an MBA...

The weekend before I went in for my interview for the first time I built a linux server and domain controller and joined several windows workstations to it just to see if I could.

Before this I was doing DWDM super high speed fiber networks and before that I was an intelligence operative with the military..

When I want to do something. I figure out how to do it and I do it.

Jaden

You're right around the corner from me, figuratively, but you're not that far, maybe I can come down and we can talk some more about this.

I am very sorry to hear that, never a good day.

Well then you are smarter than the average bear. Maybe tuning is in your blood and custom thing would be easy for you. If so it also punds like you want more than average level of control and want something where you could create unique tables to your own vehicle.

Anyway you are more than welcome to drop by just send a message before heading over as I am usually at various facilities around San Diego tuning during the week.

Today and tomorrow we are up in San Jose at Mann Engineering.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[Thorpedo]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Pretty sure your device works on one single vehicle.

Wrong. Dead wrong. It works on multiple platforms. You would think you would know more about your competition.

So the Ecutek cable can be used on multiple vehicles. That does not add ANYWHERE NEAR enough value to make it go from a $20 cable to a $350 cable. You're doing a great job at proving my point that it is simply a money grab.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

I am very sorry to hear that, never a good day.

Well then you are smarter than the average bear. Maybe tuning is in your blood and custom thing would be easy for you. If so it also punds like you want more than average level of control and want something where you could create unique tables to your own vehicle.

Anyway you are more than welcome to drop by just send a message before heading over as I am usually at various facilities around San Diego tuning during the week.

Today and tomorrow we are up in San Jose at Mann Engineering.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Yeah tomorrow I'm going down to orange county to pick up some lowering springs and shocks and then next weekend I'm driving or flying up to San Fran to play in a pro pool tournament, but I'll make it down soon.

I had wanted to come down and talk to you about a couple of projects I'm working on anyways so this works out.

I'm in the process of building some prototype superchargers. One is an axial type compressor S/C and one is a dual compressor housing S/C using T3 compressor housings and wheels. I did the math and the dual compressor S/C should be good for 25 lbs/min and 300WHP at 7-9 psi.

Jaden

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

Wrong. Dead wrong. It works on multiple platforms. You would think you would know more about your competition.

So the Ecutek cable can be used on multiple vehicles. That does not add ANYWHERE NEAR enough value to make it go from a $20 cable to a $350 cable. You're doing a great job at proving my point that it is simply a money grab.

+1

It always surprises me about how little some Ecutek tuners know about the OFT. Not only can the same OFT be used on multiple platforms, it can be divorced and re-installed on another vehicle without having to pay another ridiculous license fee.

Also, all FI tunes for the OFT (Vortech, Phantom, SBD) are available in unlocked .bin format. They have been available that way for quite some time.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash

+1

It always surprises me about how little some Ecutek tuners know about the OFT. Not only can the same OFT be used on multiple platforms, it can be divorced and re-installed on another vehicle without having to pay another ridiculous license fee.

Also, all FI tunes for the OFT (Vortech, Phantom, SBD) are available in unlocked .bin format. They have been available that way for quite some time.

Maybe if I get some free time while I'm up playing in the tournament in SF next weekend I can swing by and talk to you some too.

It's typically hard to get away as there are a lot of players and the matches can start suddenly, but it's possible. Especially if you'd be available on Sunday.

Jaden

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Maybe if I get some free time while I'm up playing in the tournament in SF next weekend I can swing by and talk to you some too.

It's typically hard to get away as there are a lot of players and the matches can start suddenly, but it's possible. Especially if you'd be available on Sunday.

Jaden

Unfortunately, the office is not open Sunday but if you would like to call during the week, just ask for me and we can chat.

Cheers
shiv

[EAGLE5]

If you're going for flexfuel, I *think* EcuTek is the only option, not counting a standalone. With some custom coding, the stock ROM could handle flexfuel, at which point OFT will be able to do flexfuel. Some tuners only use EcuTek because it gives them DRM. Some prefer it for all the custom mapping that can be done. OFT can totally do FI in turbo and SC form, and binary, easy to modify ROMs are out there. I'd be shocked if the EcuTek-only tuners haven't taken a look at Vishnu and the OFT team's work, and I'm sure some of OFT's work has been copied into closed ROMs.

And you know that cars with EcuTek have popped engines. I imagine it's the same for OFT cars. Of course stock cars have popped too. There are no guarantees in life.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

Wrong. Dead wrong. It works on multiple platforms. You would think you would know more about your competition.

So the Ecutek cable can be used on multiple vehicles. That does not add ANYWHERE NEAR enough value to make it go from a $20 cable to a $350 cable. You're doing a great job at proving my point that it is simply a money grab.

You get what you pay for.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

[steve99]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

You get what you pay for.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Mate come on now, you dont need to drop down to this level, i help a bucket load of people with problems on this forum, ecutek tactrix ecuflash users as well.

People are not born with the knoledge of how to use an oft or ecutek or tactrix ecuflash most of the issues are just people not familiar with the product and not understanding tuning or flashing in general.

Statisticly there would be more oft users than anyone else on this forum.

They are all good products suitable for different applications or users, no one product is universally better.

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

So the Ecutek cable can be used on multiple vehicles. That does not add ANYWHERE NEAR enough value to make it go from a $20 cable to a $350 cable. You're doing a great job at proving my point that it is simply a money grab.

One thing often overlooked is that the EcuTek cable is actually part of a programming kit that includes high-end software - ProECU, for that price. Here are a few of the things proECU does:

• Flash ROMs - flashes in about 60 seconds
• Auto Recovery in case a flash is interrupted
• Diagnostics - Reads and Resets codes on engine ECU plus all other ECUs on board such as Airbag, A/C, ABS, TCM, etc.
• Advanced Logging and Data Analysis - includes access to ALL parameters you would ever need in tuning/diagnosing - no need to upload log files to an on-line service for analysis - includes tools built into the software for real-time data analysis
• High quality user interface - easy to use
• Quality software that works, is heavily supported, and updated frequently with new and improved features
• The SAME kit can be used to flash an unlimited number of cars on every platform supported by EcuTek including many models of Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nisan, Subaru, and Toyota. Kits can be freely shared.
• DIY End-User Tuning with Advanced Tune Editing Software - Included
  

Circuit Motorsports even offers a programming kit rental program for tune customers who don't need to own a kit after flashing a tune.

- Bob

[Thorpedo]

Originally Posted by steve99

Mate come on now, you dont need to drop down to this level, i help a bucket load of people with problems on this forum, ecutek tactrix ecuflash users as well.

People are not born with the knoledge of how to use an oft or ecutek or tactrix ecuflash most of the issues are just people not familiar with the product and not understanding tuning or flashing in general.

Statisticly there would be more oft users than anyone else on this forum.

They are all good products suitable for different applications or users, no one product is universally better.

Well done by staying civil. It is pretty disappointing when you see businesses drop down to that level. Add to that the fact that they clearly aren't looking at the situation as a whole. When the end users are the car owners themselves (typically) you are bound to have more issues due to people not understanding how the process works. Not to mention the much higher probability that each individual user on the forum has an OFT.

But I guess William Knose something that we don't. Oh..... Except that it's probably not a good idea to look childish on a thread that over 3000 people have read already. Oops!

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

You get what you pay for.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Virtually all of those OFT threads aren't about an OFT problem. But rather questions on how to use it or how it works. Given the number of OFT users in the GT86 community, it's bound to happen. But also, because of the sheer number of users, getting any info/help is only a forum post away. Keeping our maps open and tuning methodologies transparent (BS-free) has facilitated in the development of a environment where people actually try to help others instead of primarily trying to prove how much they know. I think this thread is a good example of most people thoughtfully contributing.

Cheers,
Shiv

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash

Not only can the same OFT be used on multiple platforms, it can be divorced and re-installed on another vehicle without having to pay another ridiculous license fee.

Let's take an example with Car A and Car B. Are you saying that Car A owner can flash a new tune onto Car A with OFT, then divorce it from Car A, then flash a tune onto Car B, with Car A still running the new tune as well as Car B? Or does Car A get returned to stock via the divorce process, and Car B would now be running the new tune? And could that same OFT data log Car A after flashing Car B? Or does the OFT device only work with one car at a time? Very much like a Cobb Accessport.

The EcuTek Programming kit can be used to flash a tune onto Car A, and without any removal/divorce process, can be used to flash a tune onto Car B, and both Car A and Car B would be running new tunes. In fact, that same kit could be used to flash Car C as well, which may be a BRZ, and Car D which may be a GTR. And all of those cars would still be running the new tunes without any of the cars being forced to divorce and return to stock.

That same kit could then be shared and used by all of those car owners to data log, check and clear codes, flash additional tunes, etc. All without ever needing to divorce or revert to stock.

I think there is a big difference there.

- Bob

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

Let's take an example with Car A and Car B. Are you saying that Car A owner can flash a new tune onto Car A with OFT, then divorce it from Car A, then flash a tune onto Car B, with Car A still running the new tune as well as Car B? Or does Car A get returned to stock via the divorce process, and Car B would now be running the new tune? And could that same OFT data log Car A after flashing Car B? Or does the OFT device only work with one car at a time? Very much like a Cobb Accessport.

The EcuTek Programming kit can be used to flash a tune onto Car A, and without any removal/divorce process, can be used to flash a tune onto Car B, and both Car A and Car B would be running new tunes. In fact, that same kit could be used to flash Car C as well, which may be a BRZ, and Car D which may be a GTR. And all of those cars would still be running the new tunes without any of the cars being forced to divorce and return to stock.

That same kit could then be shared and used by all of those car owners to data log, check and clear codes, flash additional tunes, etc. All without ever needing to divorce or revert to stock.

I think there is a big difference there.

- Bob

Actually, I think the big difference is price. For the price of the option you are describing, you can get OFTs for each of those cars And still be able to sell each for ~80% of the original purchase price if you ever decide to sell it or your car.

But you are correct, the OFT can be moved from car to car but only one car can be tuned at one time. But the OFT can still be used on all the cars (simultaneously) for its datalogging/diagnostic/display/tuning alert functions.

I do understand the Ecutek business model. We were the largest Ecutek dealer in North America several years ago. I even spent some time in the UK with David and Mervyn. I understand that everyone involved in the model needs to make profit and there is nothing wrong with that.

But at the end of the day, it boils down to what the end users is willing to spend their hard earned money on. Some people prefer transparency, handheld functionality, free updates, free maps, affordable pricing and not having their ECU "hi-jacked" with non-resellable software licenses. Others may value other things. That is why there are multiple tuning solutions available in this market.

Just my 2c,
shiv