Winter Tracking Tires ?

[7thgear]

I doubt you'd find much usefull info here


because the people who know enough about tires to distinguish between awesome, good, and so-so wouldn't drive on all seasons during the cold willingly, meaning if they were on all seasons, they'd be content with whatever is on the car and not pay too much attention to whether they were better than any other given all season.

having said that, your best bet would probably be reading through some Canadian Tire brochures on those random tires none of us really pay attention to.




as for going fast in the cold.. you can just buy a very narrow section width tire of your choice, they will heat up faster and roll a bit more.. but the grip will be there.

you can get a Toyo R1R in 205/55/16 and pair them with some steelies.

I think so long as you stay in your "50*F" zone you should be fine.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by RFB

Experience with sticky all seasons, anyone ?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

This survey might help you. If I were in your shoes, I'd just call them up and put the question to them.

The reason I have nothing specific to offer is:

1) Generally, I consider all-season tires to be no-season tires, so I run them only on the grocery-getter

2) As a concept, sticky all-season tires doesn't make sense; if you're successful, though, I suspect we're all going to learn something that might prove useful

3) On track days in the 30-45F degree range, I run NT01s; they've worked well, and along the way I learned that I only needed to add 1-2# more air than normal to start (on a smooth track with sun on half of it)

[RFB]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

I doubt you'd find much usefull info here

as for going fast in the cold.. you can just buy a very narrow section width tire of your choice, they will heat up faster and roll a bit more.. but the grip will be there.

you can get a Toyo R1R in 205/55/16 and pair them with some steelies.

I think so long as you stay in your "50*F" zone you should be fine.

Can't go fast on steelies.

And yep, not much useful info here, but I was hoping someone in the great white frozen north has had some experience in trying to corner fast when it's below R spec temps.



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[7thgear]

Originally Posted by RFB

Can't go fast on steelies.

maybe you can't...

[RFB]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

maybe you can't...

You don't know me because when I started racing in the 60's, you may not have been born yet.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by dradernh

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...jsp?type=UHPAS

This survey might help you. If I were in your shoes, I'd just call them up and put the question to them.

The reason I have nothing specific to offer is:

1) Generally, I consider all-season tires to be no-season tires, so I run them only on the grocery-getter

2) As a concept, sticky all-season tires doesn't make sense; if you're successful, though, I suspect we're all going to learn something that might prove useful

3) On track days in the 30-45F degree range, I run NT01s; they've worked well, and along the way I learned that I only needed to add 1-2# more air than normal to start (on a smooth track with sun on half of it)

Agreed, all season tires are not. They are a compromise for ALL temps, I was hoping to find one with the traction bias to the freezing side.

In other words a winter tire without snow cleats, that covers the gap between snow tires and all season (a tire that doesn't exist ?),
Or a winter tire that won't melt between snow tire temps and 10 degrees C.



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[7thgear]

Originally Posted by RFB

You don't know me because when I started racing in the 60's you may not have been born yet.

that just tells me that in 50 years of racing you've not learned a whole lot about what matters.

you're so smart, why are you asking us which street tires you can buy so you can "race" in the cold?


I've not seen you at regional OTA or Autocrosses though, which series are you currently involved in?


..........and I wonder if you're related to a certain individual we had on the casc forums.. "TFB", very similar mannerisms coming from you. HMMMM.....

[RFB]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

that just tells me that in 50 years of racing you've not learned a whole lot about what matters.

you're so smart, why are you asking us which street tires you can buy so you can "race" in the cold?


I've not seen you at regional OTA or Autocrosses though, which series are you currently involved in?


..........and I wonder if you're related to a certain individual we had on the casc forums.. "TFB", very similar mannerisms coming from you. HMMMM.....

As you don't know me , I assume your insults are directed to "TFB". It seems vexatious mannerisms are coming from you with regards to a competition of superior self imagery with this person TFB, and I assure you I am not or never have been "TFB".

Your inflammatory comments about asking about street tires is conducive to trolling and does not foster the promotion of our frs brz community.

I asked about the tires not because "I was so smart" but because I could not find a suitable tire given the described parameters of my need.

Although I don't give a $hit about trolls, this forum is for exchange of information, and someone who insults posters seeking knowledge discourages newbies from participating on the site and is a detriment to our community.

(SUBERMAN accepted - he's so looney, no credibilty but so much fun !)





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[Figo]

XXR527 .
Chrome Black .
17x8.25；
+25 .
5X100/5X114

Tires are Michelin X-Ice Xi3 225/45R17.

Not a "Winter Track" setup but definitely provide good handling. Rims are light weight and X-Ice is the best handling winter tire.
BTW, these wheels clear my Brembo BBK and look "fit" because of the small +25 offset.


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[RFB]

Originally Posted by Figo

XXR527 .
Chrome Black .
17x8.25；
+25 .
5X100/5X114

Tires are Michelin X-Ice Xi3 225/45R17.

Not a "Winter Track" setup but definitely provide good handling. Rims are light weight and X-Ice is the best handling winter tire.
BTW, these wheels clear my Brembo BBK and look "fit" because of the small +25 offset.


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Hows the wear between freezing and 50 degrees ? Bald in a couple of laps ?



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[7thgear]

Originally Posted by RFB

stuff

you're dismissing our suggestions and getting annoyed that we're not feeding you the very specific information for whatever it is that you wish to achieve


you flaunt your age and involvement with the sport to "put me in my place", like you've put some puzzle out for the kids to solve and aren't appreciating that someone isn't taking all that seriously.

pot meet kettle

[Figo]

Originally Posted by RFB

Hows the wear between freezing and 50 degrees ? Bald in a couple of laps ?



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Not winter track tires. Just winter tires...

[7thgear]

the reality is that you should be asking this in a tarmac rally forum, not the wheel and tire section of an FRS forum.


maybe find a Finnish forum and ask them what they scoot around on in their areas.


in fact, a quick google search for wrc winter tarmac tires brought me around to this little gem. So go nuts.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....nter+Sottozero

[RFB]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

you're dismissing our suggestions and getting annoyed that we're not feeding you the very specific information for whatever it is that you wish to achieve


you flaunt your age and involvement with the sport to "put me in my place", like you've put some puzzle out for the kids to solve and aren't appreciating that someone isn't taking all that seriously.

pot meet kettle

Trolls always offer comments that were not made or intentionally misinterpreted to prove their theory.

I have not dismissed anything by my comments and have not expressed annoyance. Those are interpretations of YOUR mind.

Even though a lot of verbiage was offered by you and others that did not offer the info specifically asked for I have not dismissed ANYTHING. All knowledge from experience is good even yours.

I repeated specifics and good peeps are offering good info related to the specifics - a tire that will be sticky in the nether temp zone.

I "flaunted" nothing, but when I saw your comment "if you're such a hotshot how come I've never heard of you" (before you edited it out of your post), clearly inflammatory, and I responded with a simple true fact.

It seems you have a habit of intraweb sparring for the sake of sparring, (a troll, gotta have the last word), so for the good of all if you wish to continue I suggest you do it through PM's from now on otherwise you are a waste of bandwidth.





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