follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Off-Topic Discussions > Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS]

Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] For all off-topic discussion topics.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-25-2014, 05:01 PM   #71
EAGLE5
Dismember
 
EAGLE5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: 2013 Red Scion FR-S
Location: Castro Valley
Posts: 5,562
Thanks: 2,153
Thanked 4,002 Times in 2,157 Posts
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
I cannot imagine Stewart needing to pay. Ward ran out of his car into the middle of a dirt track. If somebody ran in front of me on the freeway and I hit them, I would not be liable.
EAGLE5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 05:10 PM   #72
MokSpeed
Granny Shifter
 
MokSpeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: United States
Posts: 2,094
Thanks: 539
Thanked 1,289 Times in 711 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimon7777 View Post
I cannot imagine Stewart needing to pay. Ward ran out of his car into the middle of a dirt track. If somebody ran in front of me on the freeway and I hit them, I would not be liable.
No you would not, however, the next 6 months of your life would be a living Hell dealing with paper work, lawsuits, media & press coverage, etc.
MokSpeed is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MokSpeed For This Useful Post:
strat61caster (09-25-2014)
Old 09-25-2014, 05:17 PM   #73
bkblitzed
is better than you
 
bkblitzed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Drives: 2013 raven FRS
Location: Norcal
Posts: 1,293
Thanks: 591
Thanked 1,347 Times in 745 Posts
Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Heard lots of stories about dirt racers and pit crew drinking and smoking in the pits before a race. Wouldn't surprise me if half of that grid had something in their system
bkblitzed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 05:23 PM   #74
gramicci101
Off Topic
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 Subaru BRZ Limited
Location: Vegas, baby!
Posts: 4,610
Thanks: 2,369
Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,170 Posts
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimon7777 View Post
I cannot imagine Stewart needing to pay. Ward ran out of his car into the middle of a dirt track. If somebody ran in front of me on the freeway and I hit them, I would not be liable.
He's been found innocent of actually causing the death in criminal court, but they can sue him for emotional trauma or something like that in civil court, which has a much lower burden of proof. It'll end up being easier and more positive/less negative publicity for Stewart just to settle out of court. So whether he needs to pay them or not, I imagine he will pay.
gramicci101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 05:26 PM   #75
strat61caster
-
 
strat61caster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: '13 FRS - STX
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 10,384
Thanks: 13,790
Thanked 9,502 Times in 5,013 Posts
Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
I'd bet Stewart's already taking care of the Ward's.

If I know anything about families grooming kids for racing, then the odds are that this kid was no breadwinner and it seems like the family is milking him for all he's worth now:

Quote:
Our son got out of his car during caution when the race was suspended. All the other vehicles were reducing speed and not accelerating except for Stewart, who intentionally tried to intimidate Kevin by accelerating and sliding his car toward him, causing the tragedy. The focus should be on the actions of Mr. Stewart. This matter is not at rest and we will pursue all remedies in fairness to Kevin.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar...215917279.html

For every Jeff Gordon, Joey Logano and Bryan Clauson there are hundreds of drivers who crossed the finish line ahead of them at one point or another that you will never hear of. I sincerely hope that they (Ward + Stewart) let the matter rest and settle their differences behind closed doors.

Hopefully this never happens again.
strat61caster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 08:00 PM   #76
Atropine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2021 Toyota Supra 2020 4Runner
Location: New Plymouth, ID
Posts: 701
Thanks: 1,396
Thanked 829 Times in 346 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atropine View Post
Gonna sound cold...but as many of you know...I don't care if I sound cold.

How long until his family sues Tony Stewart because he is rich?

How much will they sue for?

I think less than a month...

5 Million+
I wrote this on August 10...so I guess I was wrong about the less than a month thing...

Not too late to guess how much they want...

Really, Tony Stewart would have every right to sue the Wards.

Their son has cause him emotional and financial stress.

If I was Tony Stewart, I would NOT settle out of court (but I feel he will) because that is almost an admission of guilt.
Atropine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 09:42 PM   #77
EAGLE5
Dismember
 
EAGLE5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: 2013 Red Scion FR-S
Location: Castro Valley
Posts: 5,562
Thanks: 2,153
Thanked 4,002 Times in 2,157 Posts
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Garage
If Ward's family want to be major assholes, they can. However, after a grand jury refuses to press charges, a civil case is going to look pretty shitty on the Ward family. They likely just want to move on. Course, if Ward was too stupid to stay in his car, he might have been too stupid to get life insurance.
EAGLE5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 12:28 AM   #78
cdrazic93
Junior
 
cdrazic93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Drives: a car
Location: Probably at school
Posts: 4,341
Thanks: 3,184
Thanked 2,512 Times in 1,502 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Just drama or did ward actually get autopsied and was found to be marijuana in his system? Speculation or motuary fact...
__________________
"Ah! What music! They could have never imagined, those pioneers who invented the automobile, that it would posses us like this, our imaginations, our dreams. Men love women, but even more than that, men love CARS!"-Lord Hesketh
cdrazic93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 01:34 AM   #79
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdrazic93 View Post
Just drama or did ward actually get autopsied and was found to be marijuana in his system? Speculation or motuary fact...
Fact. It came from the medical examiner.
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 02:36 AM   #80
cdrazic93
Junior
 
cdrazic93's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Drives: a car
Location: Probably at school
Posts: 4,341
Thanks: 3,184
Thanked 2,512 Times in 1,502 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-ROR View Post
Fact. It came from the medical examiner.
damn
__________________
"Ah! What music! They could have never imagined, those pioneers who invented the automobile, that it would posses us like this, our imaginations, our dreams. Men love women, but even more than that, men love CARS!"-Lord Hesketh
cdrazic93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 08:11 AM   #81
Raven 6
Member
 
Raven 6's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: 2014 Subaru BRZ
Location: Southwest Va
Posts: 58
Thanks: 2
Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Let's flip the coin. How about, knowing the facts that Ward run out on the track in the dark with a black racing suit on and had MJ in his system. How about Tony suing the Ward family for Mental Anguish considering the trauma it has caused him and his future racing career? How's that for looking at the other side of the coin?
Raven 6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 11:34 AM   #82
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 10,317
Thanks: 955
Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts
Mentioned: 262 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven 6 View Post
Let's flip the coin. How about, knowing the facts that Ward run out on the track in the dark with a black racing suit on and had MJ in his system. How about Tony suing the Ward family for Mental Anguish considering the trauma it has caused him and his future racing career? How's that for looking at the other side of the coin?
That would reinforce many people's opinion that TS is an asshole. He would never do that IMO (nor should he, his career vs a life is a hard argument to make).
__________________
-Dave
Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback
DD: 2005 Acura TSX
Tow: 2022 F-450
Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX
Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build
FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 12:09 PM   #83
quality_sound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Drives: '15 BRZ Series.Blue
Location: Cannon AFB, NM
Posts: 145
Thanks: 85
Thanked 36 Times in 26 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
If I were Tony I would BRING a lawsuit but if the Wards did I'd counter-sue the ever-loving shit out of them.
quality_sound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 12:18 PM   #84
Atropine
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2021 Toyota Supra 2020 4Runner
Location: New Plymouth, ID
Posts: 701
Thanks: 1,396
Thanked 829 Times in 346 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-ROR View Post
That would reinforce many people's opinion that TS is an asshole. He would never do that IMO (nor should he, his career vs a life is a hard argument to make).
I agree with you Dave...

But Dale Jr was involved in a lawsuit with his Step Mom over his Dad's enterprise...

So being cutthroat is fairly common in racing.

I think Tony should only counter sue if his (Ward's) family sues him.

He doesn't have to go after money, he could just sue to shut them down and prevent future suits.

I understand the Wards being sad about their boy. But you can't just sue someone everytime something bad happens (and I know you agree with that statement).
Atropine is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FA20 Engine Wins Ward's 10 Best Engines of 2013 Jeffsu350 Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 111 03-15-2015 04:39 AM
Kevin Brown Paul_S Cosmetic Maintenance (Wash, Wax, Detailing, Body Repairs) 2 03-20-2013 06:39 PM
Stirling Moss Documentary by Patrick Stewart kanundrum Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] 5 01-24-2013 04:16 PM
Ward's 2013 10 Best engine awards Ryephile Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions 8 12-14-2012 04:59 PM
Kevin's BRZ kgc Member's Car Journals 13 09-19-2012 03:39 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.