Subaru's FT-86 Version still alive and coming confirms Automotive News

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I believe I already complained about my lack of unlimited budget. When I see stuff like this, I get even more depressed.




My fantasy daily driver would be something like this in a GF (? First gen Impreza wagon), through a 6 speed.

When am I going to win the damn lottery...

That looks like EZ30 in the Leggy (2nd gen). That's pretty amazing job they did. Have seen it in 3rd & 4th gen, but never on 2nd gen. I give two thumbs up on that one.

That'll be cool, GF8, h6, STI 6sp w DCCD & 22B wide body kit... that'll be sweet

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I doubt Subaru will make an awd version, but it they do, i doubt the engine will be in front of the axle. You guys are so afraid to think outside the box.



Engine is completely behind the axle

Ichi threw up pics of that already. Crazy potential, but let's play the probability game...

a) .0001% Chance
b) .001% Chance
c) .01% Chance
d) Same as monkeys flying out of my ass...



heh

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by djohnson

Heres a couple pix of a WRX transmission. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing one in person, but it appears as though the front axles mount within 8-10 inches of the motor.

Oh, I completely missed the point that they could do it that way. I was assuming Dimman was meaning the front axle come out of the rear of the trans (right-side on the picture), I didn't think for a second that there was another side of the output shaft that the axle could get power from.

I still don't think it would be cost-effective, but it's definetly a lot closer than before

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Snaps

Oh, I completely missed the point that they could do it that way. I was assuming Dimman was meaning the front axle come out of the rear of the trans (right-side on the picture), I didn't think for a second that there was another side of the output shaft that the axle could get power from.

I still don't think it would be cost-effective, but it's definetly a lot closer than before

This is why I was proposing a crossmember change and not a complete re-design. It's not that far out of the realm of possibility if they move the motor forward a bit. (but even slightly different motor location is usually considered a major change from the standard design)

My vote is still 'no awd'.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Ichi threw up pics of that already. Crazy potential, but let's play the probability game...

a) .0001% Chance
b) .001% Chance
c) .01% Chance
d) Same as monkeys flying out of my ass...



heh

Oh, I fully well know that (in fact I think I posted pthe pics before), but seriously, if they want awd in an ft-86, that setup is the only way that it is going to happen.

[70NYD]

matador, that setups is seriously awesome fir a purpose built car, but a production model that has that for the subi version will be SO different to the toyota one. like i said ages back in this thread, redesign the tunnel, firewall and move the engine back, same thing, but i dont think will hapen

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Oh, I fully well know that (in fact I think I posted pthe pics before), but seriously, if they want awd in an ft-86, that setup is the only way that it is going to happen.

Cool, never seen that vid before, thanks!

[Dimman]

Goddamn, the engine is lower than the front axle. That is awesome.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Goddamn, the engine is lower than the front axle. That is awesome.

Only boxer engine can do that.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

matador, that setups is seriously awesome fir a purpose built car, but a production model that has that for the subi version will be SO different to the toyota one. like i said ages back in this thread, redesign the tunnel, firewall and move the engine back, same thing, but i dont think will hapen

Not really, call Porsche and ask them about it. The only problem is that it will make it really difficult to work on the car, and *if* they could still get a turbo to reasonably fit, doubly so.



As in the panamera.

[70NYD]

id rather not have to pay the price tag for development of a Porsche, or pay with a heavy engine thats way up in the air either for this little entry lvl car.. this WHOLE argument is about fitting a AWD in to a ft86 (216a whatever) and that will defeat the purpose of this car..
YES money + imagination = anything on a car.. BUT the point of this was a low price, low weight, low centre of gravity sports car that will bring a sporty image back to toyota.
id rather my engine in between my wheels 5" of the ground than on top of them 12" of the ground

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

That is awesome

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

id rather not have to pay the price tag for development of a Porsche, or pay with a heavy engine thats way up in the air either for this little entry lvl car.. this WHOLE argument is about fitting a AWD in to a ft86 (216a whatever) and that will defeat the purpose of this car..
YES money + imagination = anything on a car.. BUT the point of this was a low price, low weight, low centre of gravity sports car that will bring a sporty image back to toyota.
id rather my engine in between my wheels 5" of the ground than on top of them 12" of the ground

Extra 50~70 lbs, you can swap the hood into cf & lighter wheels and you can shave that weight. Yeah, it might cost more, but again, this is just Subaru side of idea. NOT Toyota. That's why I stated extra $5k~$6k for AWD and WRX turbo (so around $25k~$28k) for Subie & NA (or Turbo) RWD (so around $20k~$22k) for Toyota.

Yeah, that Panamera concept still need a different or modify cross members for it, but it shows that it's possible. Also iirc isn't Skyline GT-R (R32~R34) use that concept?


You know that Subaru have been robbing Porsche's technology for centuries right? Why do you think, current Subaru's H6 is good? Yes, their Rally experience helped a lot , but mostly taken so much tech from Porsche and applied it. IIRC one of Legacy Sport concept they showed in one of auto show had H6 w some kind of sport tranny and it was totally rip off of Porsche.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Extra 50~70 lbs, you can swap the hood into cf & lighter wheels and you can shave that weight. Yeah, it might cost more, but again, this is just Subaru side of idea. NOT Toyota. That's why I stated extra $5k~$6k for AWD and WRX turbo (so around $25k~$28k) for Subie & NA (or Turbo) RWD (so around $20k~$22k) for Toyota.

Yeah, that Panamera concept still need a different or modify cross members for it, but it shows that it's possible.

Exactly. No one is asking for standard awd. Obviously if you want a turbo you pay more. AWD? Higher cost. AWD + Turbo, get out that checkbook. It's obvious that added components mean increased cost. My only point is that Subaru type awd is completely possible without moving the engine forward in the chassis.

I woul have no bad blood against Toyota/Subaru if they decide to offer a GT4/STi version for $30+K as long as I still get my ~2600lb/200+ hp NA RWD and 260hp+ turbo rwd. It's not as if Toyota has a whole lineup of sports cars and are wondering where they can position this.

As long as the original idea is not f'ked with, I say the more variants the merrier, sell as much as possible, keep the FT-86 alive dammit.

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