stock suspension the bomb?

[blackhawkdown]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

They do, but the RCE Yellows are designed more for the OEM struts. The RCE Tarmacs are designed to work better with Bilstein B8's. Koni inserts can work with both, as they can be tuned softer for the Yellows and harder for the Tarmacs. But they're an insert, which is a pain in the ass. I think Turn-in Concepts is selling them preassembled into OEM strut bodies.

Also, that's a very nice RS in your sig.

thanks, that 2.5RS is the limited w/ leather seats. bought the car in alaska with original 79k miles on the clock. the car spent all its life in the exact town for 14 years.

Yes, I think I will be getting some b8 with tarmacs. thanks everyone. now i just need to find a vendor with great prices. im in no rush to buy any since i dont even have a brz YET. saving that $ during deployment.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Daily driving and some street hooning. I will probably see 0-1% track time. I am gonna be an Army Instructor at Fort Eustis teaching Advance Individual Training to new boots who just graduated from BASIC. I don't really have time to track or autox. I hate body roll and I like to feel the road. I do not like soft suspensions but I hate really hard ones too. It needs to be comfortable for DD and long rides as I travel a lot. It's not uncommon for me to travel 700+ mile one way.

I've been reading that Bilstein B8 w/ RCE yellow springs or other drop springs are a good pair.

The only reason why B8 and lowering spring (RCE or Swift) are acceptable is because of the valving. Lowering spring + OEM shocks will never be that awesome, but RCE and Swift have developed springs that will work for the intended application (not too stiff/not too soft).

Bilstein B8 + RCE Tarmac or Swift Spec-R springs are good options to go with. Spec-R is stiffer in the rear and softer in the front than the RCE. Generally, we recommend staggered setups so you get better rotation. Non-staggered setups are definitely safe and induce steady state understeer which is good for those who are not experienced with rotation.

[Ubersuber]

Change the tires first and give it a try. Then try Bilsteins (or similar upgraded shocks and struts) and give it a try.

Performance springs have a defined purpose and it is important to know what you are trying to achieve before you decide to fit them at all, let alone choose which ones.

Just increasing the front roll bar size will probably make these cars handle better, though it will reduce the tendency to roll oversteer.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Ubersuber

Change the tires first and give it a try. Then try Bilsteins (or similar upgraded shocks and struts) and give it a try.

Performance springs have a defined purpose and it is important to know what you are trying to achieve before you decide to fit them at all, let alone choose which ones.

Just increasing the front roll bar size will probably make these cars handle better, though it will reduce the tendency to roll oversteer.

Actually...more rotation is better for this car...

[Weasel Soup]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Actually...more rotation is better for this car...

Can you please elaborate as to why?

[RFB]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Why do you hate body roll? Making the car corner flat won't automatically give it more grip. Even stock there is good road feel, especially with better tires.

I agree completely.

I tracked my 86 quite successfully since May 2012 (Mosport big track, DDT, Shannonville, Cayuga etc. with stock height and suspension with stiffer sway bars and Direzza 2's on 225 40 18's. The car felt neutral and I was able to throttle steer corners and noticed no excessive over or understeer.

I just added smaller diameter Subaru crash bolts (10 bucks) in the top holes. This allowed the following greater but non adjustable front alignment settings -

0 toe front and rear
camber - LF 1.2 - RF 1.5
LR 1.0 - RR - 1.5
I will play with the front camber with lobed bolts if I need more neg. front camber. RR is non adjustable.

If it ain't broke don't fix it applies (the designers made a great track car as is) but you can always tweak the factory settings.

Expensive coil overs with huge negative camber can make our cars unstable if not properly set up, and many are not, due to the large amount of time needed on a track to try various adjustments to the coilovers. Stock suspension is easy and quick to tweak.

For me, I would invest suspension cash in sticky rubber first, pads, lines, high boil brake fluid then in more powah ! The last thing my cash would go to is in state of the art racing suspension. The torque dip and max speed cry for more more attention first.



CERBERUS

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Weasel Soup

Can you please elaborate as to why?

The car understeers from the factory. Any sort of "oversteer" you feel from the stock setup is induced by the driver. With steady state cornering, the car will push. Our CSG BRZ is setup to be considered "very loose" by 99.9% of the community, yet the way we drive is through optimal slip angle. In other words, we actually don't use very much steering input while driving. In fact, it looks like we're zero-countering every corner we go through yet we're basically at WOT on almost every corner. It's not for everyone, but that's why we're here to help you develop a setup that's tailored to your goals and driving style.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by CSG David

The car understeers from the factory. Any sort of "oversteer" you feel from the stock setup is induced by the driver. With steady state cornering, the car will push. Our CSG BRZ is setup to be considered "very loose" by 99.9% of the community, yet the way we drive is through optimal slip angle. In other words, we actually don't use very much steering input while driving. In fact, it looks like we're zero-countering every corner we go through yet we're basically at WOT on almost every corner. It's not for everyone, but that's why we're here to help you develop a setup that's tailored to your goals and driving style.

Could you link me to videos with the CSG BRZ? I've seen a number of videos of Mike driving, but I think they were always in someone else's car. Thanks,

[Element Tuning]

Putting race tires on and the car doing well isn't a function of the suspension being good, it's more about the car being light and having a good chassis. I have taken it to the extreme and run totally stock suspension with 285 racing slicks and while I was very fast I was on the razor's edge of control.

After installing a set of custom valved BC coilovers was it not only faster, it's way easier to drive fast. With suspension its never about buying this brand or that brand, it's always about the suspension setup. Think of it like an off the shelf ecu tune vs a custom tune. Same parts but only one will not perform optimally.

Thanks,
Phil Grabow

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Could you link me to videos with the CSG BRZ? I've seen a number of videos of Mike driving, but I think they were always in someone else's car. Thanks,

Nothing recent since we've been spent a significant time to make the sponsored turbo BRZ reliable for track use. This year has also been spent on developing the custom valved SRC spec further and help with some testing for a few manufacturers that we can't disclose.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBZWkoQO-s&list=UUssD66G2tXsV-u24rhQUdkg&index=17"]CSG BRZ Buttonwillow 2:00 lap - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r7EgQGxA4g&index=5&list=UUssD66G2tXsV-u24rhQUdkg"]Jackson Racing Supercharged BRZ Track Shakedown - YouTube[/ame]

Element Tuning hit the nail on setup. If you are capable of getting specific custom valving spec for your coilover setup, then you don't need to worry about the name of the company. However, that means time and some sort of budget needs to be spent to develop something that works well for you.

[Weasel Soup]

Originally Posted by CSG David

The car understeers from the factory. Any sort of "oversteer" you feel from the stock setup is induced by the driver. With steady state cornering, the car will push. Our CSG BRZ is setup to be considered "very loose" by 99.9% of the community, yet the way we drive is through optimal slip angle. In other words, we actually don't use very much steering input while driving. In fact, it looks like we're zero-countering every corner we go through yet we're basically at WOT on almost every corner. It's not for everyone, but that's why we're here to help you develop a setup that's tailored to your goals and driving style.

I'm not talented enough to be able to use that driving style with a rwd car yet, awd but that's much easier. I need to work on throttle control.

Thanks for the through reply!

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Weasel Soup

I'm not talented enough to be able to use that driving style with a rwd car yet, awd but that's much easier. I need to work on throttle control.

Thanks for the through reply!

Think weight transfer and tire grip usage.