Best $3k coilovers? Sachs, Moton, MCS, AST, JRZ.

[Shankenstein]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Actually the way you valve dampers is different between Swift and Hyperco. Hyperco is actually a very good spring and is a spring I would prefer over Swift for specific dampers. If the damper is developed with Swift springs, then the Hyperco would exhibit a different behavior.

I've always heard that Hyperco and Swift are both durable, linear, and light weight. Pick the one that best matches your rates and budget.

@OP - I change my "Other" vote to use Hyperco.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Hey Dave, I have my stock shocks in great condition complete with top hats. 10k miles, wanna buy? I'll bring to Buttonwillow on Sat and deliver free of charge.

-alex

Originally Posted by CSG David

I'm in for five finger discount.

Six finger discount! And I'll throw in a bucket of extra crispy or original style KFC chicken of your choice.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Actually the way you valve dampers is different between Swift and Hyperco. Hyperco is actually a very good spring and is a spring I would prefer over Swift for specific dampers. If the damper is developed with Swift springs, then the Hyperco would exhibit a different behavior.

How are the hyperco's different to swift springs in terms of how the spring rates increase and how do the damping requirements differ? Can you elaborate? I thought both were pretty much on par in terms of consistency but the Swift proprietary alloy steel giving them an edge in weight savings. Other than that, the blue color goes better with Penske shocks and cost a little less than the Swift.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Six finger discount! And I'll throw in a bucket of extra crispy or original style KFC chicken of your choice.

Haven't met anyone with 6 fingers yet... but your offer is better than Dave's.

Let me think about it.

-alex

[boredom.is.me]

I recommend a set of Megan Racing Coilovers. These put Sachs, JRZ, Ohlins, STD, and all the other high end coilovers to shame.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Shankenstein

I've always heard that Hyperco and Swift are both durable, linear, and light weight. Pick the one that best matches your rates and budget.

@OP - I change my "Other" vote to use Hyperco.

Originally Posted by solidONE

How are the hyperco's different to swift springs in terms of how the spring rates increase and how do the damping requirements differ? Can you elaborate? I thought both were pretty much on par in terms of consistency but the Swift proprietary alloy steel giving them an edge in weight savings. Other than that, the blue color goes better with Penske shocks and cost a little less than the Swift.

Both are linear and both will hit their intended rated value with a higher level of precision (smaller tolerance) than other spring manufacturers on the market. The difference is the way it responds initially. Both are fantastic springs. It's very dependent on how you want to dial in your setup and it's definitely way too specific for most people. For most, the difference is negligible. Again, we're ridiculously detailed on how things match so that's what we found out. Will you feel the difference? More than likely not, but it plays a role in the overall package of how we do things.

[Yui-Chan]

I noticed many jumped on the bandwagon to talk down on me, and basically parroting the pros and vendors. Great. Good for you! As long as it makes you guys feel good. Rce and CSG are professional and they always offer their valuable info/insight..but it's a bit childish to repeat what they say, suck their dcks and kiss their butts just to make yourselves feel/look good by down talking me.

If you actually read my Op, then you could answer the questions.

"Why do I need all that adjustability?"

If you read my op, I stated my budget was $3k...which obviously takes out expensive 2 ways, 3-4 ways etc. $3k will Only get me a high quality single adj among those brands; and that's what I'm looking for between those brands. That doesn't sound like much adjustability at all.

I never knocked on Ohlins RT. Just because you own them and I didn't put them on my list, there is no need to be butt hurt and take it out on me. I bet they are super great! I may even add them to my list. But just because I didn't put them on my list, you shouldn't take it personally

Tires, wheels, power, suspension mods, etc?

Wouldn't this be dependent on chosen rates and valving more than the damper/brand itself? If I chose 8k all around, had stock 200hp, 245 tires, etc...idk why should this matter choosing an entry single adj damper. Because everyone will have a diff answer to their recommended and fave CO.

There is no one CO for all?
As much as I understand and know this, it's just not true in some cases (like entry level single adj CO lol). On the extreme side of things: If all of you got Penskes for free, I am sure ALL of you would use them and dump your current POS tuner COs ....I think a lot of it is dependent on rates, valving and tuning than brand. Once you get your preferred rates and valving, all and any of those brands will work relatively the same (give or take slight valve design tech, like in Ohlins and Penskes).

So..... What I asked for and meant..was more in the lines of quality, build, design, materials used, durability, etc... Which is your fave/pick and why (for those reasons)?


If I asked this question in the Porsche forums, they would answer easily and quickly with no fuss, pretentiousness, etc.

[Yui-Chan]

Most of my choices also have a great advantage of being modular; being able to be rebuilt to upgraded spec 2-ways, 3-ways, remote, etc. You can't do that to many other coilovers.

[Yui-Chan]

Originally Posted by wparsons

You're missing the point entirely. There is no single one size fits all "this is the best for all possible scenarios" answer when you're talking about suspension. There's a reason that there are many GOOD options out there, and it's because not everyone is after the same thing.

Yes and No.

The 5 brands I have listed are all made for and marketed to the same people.

Those brands and other good brands, aren't "out there" to give us options and "because not everyone is after the same thing"...it's because they are simply companies making similar product and are competing.

Now, if we were talking about megans, st, etc; then yes, you're right...those are marketed towards a diff crowd... To lowered street cars or people with small budgets.

[jebuwh]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I noticed many jumped on the bandwagon to talk down on me, and basically parroting the pros and vendors. Great. Good for you! As long as it makes you guys feel good. Rce and CSG are professional and they always offer their valuable info/insight..but it's a bit childish to repeat what they say, suck their dcks and kiss their butts just to make yourselves feel/look good by down talking me.

If you actually read my Op, then you could answer the questions.

"Why do I need all that adjustability?"

If you read my op, I stated my budget was $3k...which obviously takes out expensive 2 ways, 3-4 ways etc. $3k will Only get me a high quality single adj among those brands; and that's what I'm looking for between those brands. That doesn't sound like much adjustability at all.

I never knocked on Ohlins RT. Just because you own them and I didn't put them on my list, there is no need to be butt hurt and take it out on me. I bet they are super great! I may even add them to my list. But just because I didn't put them on my list, you shouldn't take it personally

Tires, wheels, power, suspension mods, etc?

Wouldn't this be dependent on chosen rates and valving more than the damper/brand itself? If I chose 8k all around, had stock 200hp, 245 tires, etc...idk why should this matter choosing an entry single adj damper. Because everyone will have a diff answer to their recommended and fave CO.

There is no one CO for all?
As much as I understand and know this, it's just not true in some cases (like entry level single adj CO lol). On the extreme side of things: If all of you got Penskes for free, I am sure ALL of you would use them and dump your current POS tuner COs ....I think a lot of it is dependent on rates, valving and tuning than brand. Once you get your preferred rates and valving, all and any of those brands will work relatively the same (give or take slight valve design tech, like in Ohlins and Penskes).

So..... What I asked for and meant..was more in the lines of quality, build, design, materials used, durability, etc... Which is your fave/pick and why (for those reasons)?


If I asked this question in the Porsche forums, they would answer easily and quickly with no fuss, pretentiousness, etc.

The reason everyone responded like they did is because you are sitting here telling guys who have probably thousands of combined hours of track time, that tires, skill level, and a bunch of other things don't matter for coilovers and car setup. Which is incorrect.

No one is kissing their butts but we all are listening to the much more qualified opinions and real life data they have gained.

Settle down Skippy.

[Yui-Chan]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

All of these things matter... it would have been much easier for you to type out what you have, rather than these (imo) non-constructive responses, because a lot of statements are false.

I'd bet money that you'd spin out in a car that I set up for myself.

Not everyone uses tires in the 225-245 range.

My favorite coilover will NOT be the same for all spring rates.

Have you seen how many cars in socal have front lips? Wings? It's a LOT. I'd say at least 25% of the FRS/BRZs I see at meets have some soft of aftermarket aero. These all impact how the suspension is tuned.

Power output will affect suspension tuning, which will affect my damper choice. Have you ever seen a mustang squat when it's going WOT? Know what controls that squat? The dampers.

Supporting mods will change my coilover choice. THey can alter geometry, allow me a longer stroke length, etc.

Since clearly my (at least what i believe to be) educated opinion doesn't matter, I'll just step out now.

Thanks for your insight.

You've already stated your favorite choices...JRZ and the Teins. That's all I asked.

[Yui-Chan]

Originally Posted by jebuwh

The reason everyone responded like they did is because you are sitting here telling guys who have probably thousands of combined hours of track time, that tires, skill level, and a bunch of other things don't matter for coilovers and car setup. Which is incorrect.

No one is kissing their butts but we all are listening to the much more qualified opinions and real life data they have gained.

Settle down Skippy.

I NEVER said car set up and car susp tuning didn't matter. I just meant coilover brand selection doesn't matter as much as the coilover TUNING(rates, valving) itself (especially bn those very similar companies). Unless of course you're comparing them to $1k cheapy coilovers.

Those(car set up, tuning, susp mods, tires, rates, valving) choices matter more than coilover choice for all the questions being asked by CSG and RCE quite honestly (as RCE made it well said).

Tuning of diff rates and damping matter more for car set up (tires, skill, power, susp mods) than the CO brand itself I already said (imo).



And don't get me wrong...I am NOT rejecting nor am I not listening to the pro's and vendor's (csg rce) advice, experience, knowledge. I simply asked what's their preferred coilover out of those 5...it can be for any reason they see fit. It can be simply from working with them and having great relations. Or it can be technical.

I notice MCS is getting votes. Anyone using them? (The single adj with my low $3k budget).

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

Thanks for your insight.

You've already stated your favorite choices...JRZ and the Teins. That's all I asked.

I did?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Yui-Chan

I noticed many jumped on the bandwagon to talk down on me, and basically parroting the pros and vendors. Great. Good for you! As long as it makes you guys feel good. Rce and CSG are professional and they always offer their valuable info/insight..but it's a bit childish to repeat what they say, suck their dcks and kiss their butts just to make yourselves feel/look good by down talking me.

If you actually read my Op, then you could answer the questions.

"Why do I need all that adjustability?"

If you read my op, I stated my budget was $3k...which obviously takes out expensive 2 ways, 3-4 ways etc. $3k will Only get me a high quality single adj among those brands; and that's what I'm looking for between those brands. That doesn't sound like much adjustability at all.

I never knocked on Ohlins RT. Just because you own them and I didn't put them on my list, there is no need to be butt hurt and take it out on me. I bet they are super great! I may even add them to my list. But just because I didn't put them on my list, you shouldn't take it personally

Tires, wheels, power, suspension mods, etc?

Wouldn't this be dependent on chosen rates and valving more than the damper/brand itself? If I chose 8k all around, had stock 200hp, 245 tires, etc...idk why should this matter choosing an entry single adj damper. Because everyone will have a diff answer to their recommended and fave CO.

There is no one CO for all?
As much as I understand and know this, it's just not true in some cases (like entry level single adj CO lol). On the extreme side of things: If all of you got Penskes for free, I am sure ALL of you would use them and dump your current POS tuner COs ....I think a lot of it is dependent on rates, valving and tuning than brand. Once you get your preferred rates and valving, all and any of those brands will work relatively the same (give or take slight valve design tech, like in Ohlins and Penskes).

So..... What I asked for and meant..was more in the lines of quality, build, design, materials used, durability, etc... Which is your fave/pick and why (for those reasons)?


If I asked this question in the Porsche forums, they would answer easily and quickly with no fuss, pretentiousness, etc.

You say this as if you have the budget to play with valving. Do you? I'm under the impression that you'd just be using an off-the-shelf damper, with the off-the-shelf valving.

As I've previously stated, I have NO preference for any of the coilovers that fall into your $3k budget. There are dampers that come close to that budget, but not in coilover form.

I still do not know your exact intended use, so my recommendation would be for you to get the JRZ RS dampers. That'll eat up your entire 3k budget and a bit more.

You're still going to need mounts, springs, and helpers. And then you'll probably want camber plates and lower rear control arms if you're actually serious. Wait, now we're suddenly much closer to $5k...