FR-S slow? I don't think so. 1m21.8sec Toronto Motorsports Park daily driven FRS! - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

bedabi · 08-25-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bedabi

Great vid. I hope to be at TMP soon to try those lines. Isn't the driver the dude in those AutoGuide reviews?

To answer my own question, yes.

Results via Autoguide, same driver, same track.

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...-hfp-2165.html
BRZ 1:26.6 (stock)
Civic Si HFP 1:26.5 (Michelin Pilot Super Sports)

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...spec-2103.html
FR-S 1:26.2 (stock)
Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 1:25.0 (Potenza RE050A tires)

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...tion-2391.html
Mustang Boss 302 1:21.45
Evo MR 1:22.99

wparsons · 08-25-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bedabi

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http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...-hfp-2165.html
On same track (Cayuga/TMP) with a stock BRZ and Civic Si HFP:
BRZ 1:26.6 (stock)
Si 1:26.5 (HFP comes stock with Michelin Pilot Super Sports)

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...spec-2103.html
FR-S 1:26.2 (stock)
Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 1:25.0

Hey Suberman @Ubersuber -> there goes your theory that BRZ's are faster around the same track. 0.4 seconds faster in a bone stock FRS vs bone stock BRZ.

drewbot · 08-25-2014, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedabi

To answer my own question, yes.

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...-hfp-2165.html
On same track (Cayuga/TMP) with a stock BRZ and Civic Si HFP:
BRZ 1:26.6 (stock)
Si 1:26.5 (HFP comes stock with Michelin Pilot Super Sports)

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...spec-2103.html
FR-S 1:26.2 (stock)
Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec 1:25.0

http://www.autoguide.com/car-compari...tion-2391.html
Pratte's TMP/Cayuga times in
Mustang Boss 302 1:21.45
Evo MR 1:22.99

I'm assuming the driver is the same for all those times. I find that impressive on the OEM tires

CSG Mike · 08-25-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Wonder if he would have run even quicker laptimes on 225 width AD08R's. I know @CSG Mike and some magazines have found that going above 225 sacrifices more straightline speed than you make up for in grip.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10253

There are some exceptions to this rule, and watching the video, this track would qualify. There are no 5th gear straights, and all the turns are 2nd and 3rd gear. Wider will be faster here, because a 225 would overheat very quickly.

Also, his car accelerates faster than any NA car would in SoCal; all of our tracks are at high elevation (fml), and are typically high temperature (more fml), and usually have lower air density than the elevation would dictate (fffffml)

And we got 91 E10-15 gas. (shoot me now)

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Originally Posted by 7thgear

yes, but they're also making more power

225 is a ballpark limit for stock power.

Even with, smaller tires are proving to be faster overall. Aero is really the determining factor, IMO, with power being a smaller concern, but nobody has really developed any substantial aero for this platform, yet.

CSG Mike · 08-25-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by l8apexr

The full youtube lap for anybody looking where to pick up some time.

1m21.8 is mighty fast and we think we can find some more time !!!

I agree.

n0thing · 08-25-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaMotorsports.ca

Since the car is tuned on ECUTek, I had assumed they had the Auto-Blip turned on. I could be wrong and Dave was doing the rev matching himself.

http://www.ecutek.com/Products/Trade...Auto-Blip.aspx

Thanks, didn't know ECUTek had such feature.

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Originally Posted by wparsons

You can see the pedal past his arm and knee? Awesome!

When he was braking and downshifting, the gas pedal is clearly visible with absolutely no movement, as if the "Auto-Blip" feature is on. Perhaps the OP can chime in to this.

hmong337 · 08-25-2014, 07:36 PM

Subbed

l8apexr · 08-28-2014, 12:06 AM

Auto blip feature on.

Dave is our targa Newfoundland driver as well.

He's very fast.

enwave · 08-28-2014, 12:51 AM

Great run! Hate to be that guy, but 1m21.8s and no helmet!? Tsk tsk tsk!

Can't wait to see more.

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n0thing · 08-28-2014, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l8apexr

Auto blip feature on.

Dave is our targa Newfoundland driver as well.

He's very fast.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Very fast and smooth drive indeed.

Dave Pratte · 08-28-2014, 01:05 PM

Hi guys. Sorry about the no helmet. I'm a big advocate for safety, especially for anyone new to track driving. In this case, we were shooting a video and I was commentating while driving, so couldn't wear a helmet. But under normal circumstances, I always wear a helmet. That said, this track is flat and has nothing to hit except the wall on the front straight, so as race tracks go it's very safe.

I wasn't heel & toe downshifting here because, as has already been mentioned, we have the rev-match feature on Ecutek enabled on this car. I'm so accustomed to doing the rev-matching myself, at first I found this feature annoying as it would throw me out of my usual rhythm, but I'm used to it now. I've tested with it on and off and it doesn't help my lap times any, but for guys who aren't confident in their heel & toe technique, it can be a way to prevent the rear end from locking up.

I'm going to post a version of the 1:21.8 lap with voiceover explaining my approach to this circuit, along with data overlay. Plus I'll make the Aim Solo data file available for download to anyone who wants to compare it to their own data at this circuit.

engsr · 08-28-2014, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Pratte

Hi guys. Sorry about the no helmet. I'm a big advocate for safety, especially for anyone new to track driving. In this case, we were shooting a video and I was commentating while driving, so couldn't wear a helmet. But under normal circumstances, I always wear a helmet. That said, this track is flat and has nothing to hit except the wall on the front straight, so as race tracks go it's very safe.

Admit it weasel Dave, you just want everyone to see your pretty face.

Dave Pratte · 08-28-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by engsr

Admit it weasel Dave, you just want everyone to see your pretty face.

LOL Bryan, well I will admit I'm kinda pretty…compared to you

I see you have a BRZ now…does that mean no more ITR?!? The horror….the horror…..

engsr · 08-28-2014, 08:29 PM

Dood, I've had the BRZ for over 2 years now. And I would sell it way before the ITR (yes, I still have heR).

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Dave Pratte Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Toronto Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hi guys. Sorry about the no helmet. I'm a big advocate for safety, especially for anyone new to track driving. In this case, we were shooting a video and I was commentating while driving, so couldn't wear a helmet. But under normal circumstances, I always wear a helmet. That said, this track is flat and has nothing to hit except the wall on the front straight, so as race tracks go it's very safe. I wasn't heel & toe downshifting here because, as has already been mentioned, we have the rev-match feature on Ecutek enabled on this car. I'm so accustomed to doing the rev-matching myself, at first I found this feature annoying as it would throw me out of my usual rhythm, but I'm used to it now. I've tested with it on and off and it doesn't help my lap times any, but for guys who aren't confident in their heel & toe technique, it can be a way to prevent the rear end from locking up. I'm going to post a version of the 1:21.8 lap with voiceover explaining my approach to this circuit, along with data overlay. Plus I'll make the Aim Solo data file available for download to anyone who wants to compare it to their own data at this circuit.

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