Dealer Service Center Oil Change Nightmare

[FRS Dad]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Neither have I! Unless it was breaking 939 tires for the lazy slags who were supposed to be doing the job. And there was sarcasm.

Hey man...let's leave the wives and girlfriends out of it.

[jainish007]

So I read your post and have skipped all the replies. So to my opinion you should accept a used FRS with similar condition as yours and ask for down payment on that car of the money you have already paid. And than get a payment plan of same as your current. Ex; same monthley payment and interest. and carry on from there. If they can't find one used like yours and they refuse to switch the motor or give you good deal on new FRS than get a lawyer.

[FRS Dad]

Originally Posted by jainish007

So I read your post and have skipped all the replies. So to my opinion you should accept a used FRS with similar condition as yours and ask for down payment on that car of the money you have already paid. And than get a payment plan of same as your current. Ex; same monthley payment and interest. and carry on from there. If they can't find one used like yours and they refuse to switch the motor or give you good deal on new FRS than get a lawyer.

Dude, the OP is long gone. He sold the FRS, bought a Prius and is living in a commune in Seattle where he's "examining his sexuality" whatever that means.

It all happened back on page #3.

[Chimera]

Skipping the replies means that you missed all the good stuff

Originally Posted by jainish007

So I read your post and have skipped all the replies. So to my opinion you should accept a used FRS with similar condition as yours and ask for down payment on that car of the money you have already paid. And than get a payment plan of same as your current. Ex; same monthley payment and interest. and carry on from there. If they can't find one used like yours and they refuse to switch the motor or give you good deal on new FRS than get a lawyer.

[FRS Dad]

Awesome thread guys. I have to get some sleep or I'll be even less effective at work tomorrow than usual.

[FRS Dad]

Originally Posted by eyedeez

I'm 12. What is this?

Sarcasm is an old, wooden ship.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by FRS Dad

Okay, I did some research on this. Apparently ATF is thinner than motor oil, and it is a common practice on higher mileage engines to run a mixture of ATF and oil for a short period to clean sludge out of the engine, then do a couple of regular oil changes to flush any remaining ATF out: This was posted in response to a guy who had accidentally used ATF instead of motor coil.

"Actually, people used to put 'some' transmission fluid in the engine oil right before an oil change because trans fluid helps clean the gunk out.

I wouldn't keep it in there but I wouldn't have any problem with driving it for a couple days then getting an oil change."

Source:
ASE Master Tech for 22 years.

So it doesn't seem like the two fluids are totally incompatible. If they mix together readily then they can be flushed out together as well.

"Some" ATF in an engine is not the same as "all ATF". Notice how everyone who does that uses the ATF as an oil solvent? I'd rather have oily gunk in my engine than a solvent. Ever seen a modern engine that has used a modern engine oil with "gunk" in it?

Whatever. 20 bucks just waiting.

ETA: There is (or was) an self-described ASE master tech posting on this very site I would not let put air in my tires.

[FRS Dad]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Notice how everyone who does that uses the ATF as an oil solvent? I'd rather have oily gunk in my engine than a solvent. "Some" ATF in an engine is not the same as "all ATF". Ever seen a modern engine that has used a modern engine oil with "gunk" in it?

Whatever. 20 bucks just waiting.

ETA: There is (or was) an self-described ASE master tech posting on this very site I would not let put air in my tires.

The answer was in response to someone who had accidentally filled his crankcase with ATF. The tech was illustrating that it was not uncommon to intentionally mix ATF and oil, and as a result his opinion was that running straight ATF for a short period was not harmful. I posted it to give the OP some reassurance that it's possible all is not lost.

He may not be correct, just another piece of information to consider that tends to support the theory that this was not a catastrophic event, and that maybe some form of compensation that falls between say $20 and a new engine might make sense. Like maybe an extended warranty on the engine and a sincere apology for the inconvenience. I'd take your twenty but I don't have an FRS. I bought a 2015 for one of my kids because they're inexpensive and looked like fun.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by FRS Dad

The answer was in response to someone who had accidentally filled his crankcase with ATF. The tech was using the fact that it was not uncommon to intentionally mix ATF and oil, and as a result his opinion was that running straight ATF for a short period was not harmful.

He may not be correct, just another piece of information to consider that tends to support the theory that this was not a catastrophic event, and that maybe some form of compensation that falls between say $20 and a new engine might make sense. Like maybe an extended warranty on the engine and a sincere apology for the inconvenience. I'd take your twenty but I don't have an FRS. I bought a 2015 for one of my kids because they're inexpensive and looked like fun.

Shit, that goes double for your kid then. 40 if the lets you do it! To be clear, OP's engine is probably OK, minus about 10K of expected life. The "experts" at the dealer f-ed up. I'd walk away happy with free scheduled oil changes forever and double the powertrain warranty. But I'd be REAL pissed off.

OP, get it fixed and drive the wheels off the thing.

[Davev]

We used to put ATF in 5 ton military cargo trucks when that was all we had on hand (Cummins). And we put motor oil in the auto transmissions (Allisons). And a couple times had to substitute mineral oil cause we ran dry and it got us going for a week. For a time all the cargo fleet used ONLY 30w oil in everything on the trucks.

I say this because we were taught all these lubes have similar base composition and will interchange. An expert could be found- I'm sure - that would say no harm done.

[Chimera]

Just as an aside, my dealers service department has been a true pleasure compared to the Hyundai service departments I visited with my old car. One time I was told my car didn't have a switching relay for the turn signals.

[aznatama]

Lawyer up!

What did your insurance say about it? Ideally, your insurance would take care of it (new motor most likely), then claim indemnity against the dealer's insurance. But see what they can do for you first. Else, you can find out who dealer's insurance is, and call them directly to notify them about it.

Lastly, the manager that told you you could get a new motor, that may be a legally enforceable oral contract if you accepted right then and there. However, since you waited, they could withdraw the offer (which they apparently did), so you're SOL on that option. The only thing left is option #1.

As other's have mentioned, the composition is similar, transmission oil is just really thick oil. unless you tried to rev it up, likely no harm done. Extending warranty might not be bad.

[poptart]

Originally Posted by FRS Dad

The answer was in response to someone who had accidentally filled his crankcase with ATF. The tech was illustrating that it was not uncommon to intentionally mix ATF and oil, and as a result his opinion was that running straight ATF for a short period was not harmful. I posted it to give the OP some reassurance that it's possible all is not lost.

He may not be correct,

Dude, I found your source. He put 1 quart of ATF into the engine and was told people used to use that to degunk.
That's a big difference from running straight ATF as a total substitute for the proper oil. We need a expert tribologist, but I bet he would say it's entirely conceivable the engine would suffer premature wear from this accident. It's not like it got driven 30 miles with
10w30 instead of 0w20, transmission fluid is far from meeting the manufacturer specified lubrication.



https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...3174553AAZEE38

[stugray]

Originally Posted by FRS Dad

Sarcasm is an old, wooden ship.

That escalated quickly!