Suberman's guide on how to make the car fix his inability to drive correctly.

[Captain Snooze]

Yep, that guy.

[wparsons]

Nope, UberSuber is Suberman, different guy (but still retarded) than NYCsubaruBRZ. They're both eerily similar in how wrong they constantly are though.

[Ubersuber]

Nice that everyone takes the time to post their comments.

Not sure why they do this but it is highly amusing nonetheless.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Ubersuber

Nice that everyone takes the time to post their comments.

Not sure why they do this but it is highly amusing nonetheless.

Kind of like the mystery of why you keep posting blatantly false information.

I don't even understand why such a superior intellect took the time to create a new account after being banned for being an idiot the first time?

[NissanGuy]

Damn, y'all been drinking that haterade.

[EAGLE5]

Hey, as long as you don't listen to the original poster, you're going to be alright. Can I get an amen?

[boredom.is.me]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Hey, as long as you don't listen to the original poster, you're going to be alright. Can I get an amen?

Can I get a hot tub?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

Can I get a hot tub?

Yes.

https://screen.yahoo.com/eddie-murph...000000926.html

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

directional doesn't matter if it's dry. Save your money and don't track in the rain ^_^

A rain track day lets you explore the limits a lot more safely, since the limits are brought down so low!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Ubersuber

Quite the activity.

I cut the section out of the top of the bump stop precisely to preserve the existing progressive rate. I deduced, correctly as it turns out, that this would reduce the overall bump spring rate without inducing a sudden rate rise when the remainder of the bump stop is first contacted. It works just as I thought it would, extremely well. It would be a better solution to fit custom made shorter progressive bump stops and I'm pretty sure the ones TRD sells with the as yet unavailable in Canada lowering springs should be about perfect.

I know why shortening the rear bump stops works. I also know that Subaru deliberately fit longish and relatively stiff progression rear bump stops. It was a mistake to do so but it wasn't done by mistake.

I also understand why Toyota fit different spring rates to the FRS (and GT86 for that matter) which is a big reason I bought the BRZ. I think Toyota made a mistake there also and I am pretty sure they are fixing that mistake for 2015 on.

I think Subaru intentionally fit inadequate rear dampers and I also think that was a mistake, soon to be corrected for 2015 on.

I initially thought that Subaru spec'd the wrong tires for these cars but I am not so sure now. I'll go so far as to say that it would be a mistake to fit "better" tires right away in the expectation that the car will be improved. The stock tires will actually teach you how to drive properly and, as a next stage, you can use those relatively hard compound, soft sidewall LRR tires to explore a little "power" induced oversteer (actually not "power" induced but suspension induced, 151 lb ft of torque shouldn't be enough to overpower modern suspension).

These are great little cars right off the showroom floor. You could buy one and never do a thing to it and you could be very pleased with your purchase.

My point is only to suggest modest changes that cost very little and correct the deliberate "mistakes" made by the design engineers. If you are a good driver and like to drive quickly on the street these design "features" are just annoying in the long run.

The cars are very good from the factory. To make them great driving cars you just need to change the rear roll stiffness, improve the damping quality and consider fitting more capable tires.

Everything I suggest will work as described. I wouldn't bother increasing any of the spring rates on this car but if you decide to do it, just fit a slightly larger diameter front roll bar.

TRD offers a 21 mm front bar, there are also 19 and 22 mm available. If you want to preserve the existing roll resistance balance after cutting the rear bump stops then also fit a 16 mm rear bar, but I wouldn't bother, the car is excessively tail happy for serious drivers already.

Again, I emphasise do not do these changes if you like that slightly tail happy feel of these cars. The engineers designed that in. It makes the cars slower and less interesting to really drive but it was done on purpose for those wanting that "feature". I'm pretty sure Toyota now sees that the market for this feature is very, very limited. And just BTW, the TRD lowering spring package looks pretty good for anyone wanting to just lower their car.

I have plenty of video clips where I'm using power induced oversteer to drift a FRS/BRZ, and many SoCal locals can corroborate that I do this upon request at the track.

I'm not a drifter, so I only know how to initiate drifts with weight transfers and power overs. The power over is just easier.

I'll give you a hint: you have a LOT more torque at the rear wheels that 151lb/ft. Think gearing. Your reasoning and logic are flawed; there's a pretty good chance that you, an enthusiast, are not qualified to make a better decision than entire engineering departments at Toyota and Subaru. If you did, you'd be a very, very wealthy person, and would be proving all of us wrong by example, not theory.


I'm also going to speculate that you do not have the requisite driving experience to be making these "car drives well" or "car doesn't drive well" judgements. Unless you're secretly an automotive journalist. Or the Stig. Wait, the Stig doesn't speak.... I suppose he might type? Oh that can't be right... I'm the Stig. Yes, I am the Stig. Okay BBC, you can fire me now.

[Fizz]

Is Ubersuber also Suberman the source of knowledge for all things motor oil?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I am the Stig.

Stig@CSG,
Can you tell me.... oh wait.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Your reasoning and logic are flawed;

That pretty much sums up the op.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by NissanGuy

Damn, y'all been drinking that haterade.

Search for posts/threads by "Suberman", same guy as "UberSuber".