Canadian BRZ pricing announced - $27,295 to $30,495

[ArKiTeCkT]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Meh, he seems happy enough with it. Plus he's not exactly the only one to be paying those fees.

It's something to keep in mind though. Other people ARE paying over. That means YOU can make a valid case for paying that same amount UNDER msrp and the dealer is STILL making money.

From what im hearing a lot of people are paying well over MSRP. So to dish out 500 over MSRP is not too bad compared to 1000 plus. Yes I could have saved the 500 bucks...But I REALLY want this car.

Originally Posted by Aznek

Why would you "gladly pay" a dealer markup?
It is great that Subaru Canada decided not to shaft us but that dealership you pre ordered from did in fact shaft you. If you ask any neutral dealer they will tell you that a non refundable deposit is just a tool to lock you in with their above msrp price.

Have you even tried to call your salesman back and ask for the fees to be removed? If I were you I would see if that BoS you signed is actually legally binding. I was told that it is not the final BoS and is just seen as a form of semi official document proving that you have the pre order placed. I was also told that they cannot hold you to a pre order deposit unless you cause them a loss of a sale (you say there are others lined up behind you, shouldn't be a prob)

I'm not trying to make you feel bad, just trying to save you 500. Who is the salesman that you are dealing with over there? Maybe if they are afraid of bad PR we could help you pressure them into removing those fees. If the salesman is still reluctant then you can try the sales manager, after him you can try the owner.

It would be interesting to see what other people are paying. Im sure as we get closer to the launch date, we'll find out if mine was a good deal.
***But I'll definitely bring this up with my salesmen and see if I could get a better deal. I'll post my final sales price or any freebies(If I do) in this forum.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ArKiTeCkT

From what im hearing a lot of people are paying well over MSRP. So to dish out 500 over MSRP is not too bad compared to 1000 plus. Yes I could have saved the 500 bucks...But I REALLY want this car.



It would be interesting to see what other people are paying. Im sure as we get closer to the launch date, we'll find out if mine was a good deal.
***But I'll definitely bring this up with my salesmen and see if I could get a better deal. I'll post my final sales price or any freebies(If I do) in this forum.

If you get $500 (or even more) in options added it's a win-win (sort of) for you and the dealer. You get the 'value' of the fees in stuff (the diffuser is like $700ish in the US), but the dealer is only paying cost on that stuff. Probably your best shot.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by ArKiTeCkT

It would be interesting to see what other people are paying. Im sure as we get closer to the launch date, we'll find out if mine was a good deal.
***But I'll definitely bring this up with my salesmen and see if I could get a better deal. I'll post my final sales price or any freebies(If I do) in this forum.

It is all well and good for folks to say - well you shoulda got this and I'd never do that - but unless people are posting their invoices and signed off loan terms if there is one, it's all got a whiff of the Cliff Clavin (or current analogy for all you youngsters) about it.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

It is all well and good for folks to say - well you shoulda got this and I'd never do that - but unless people are posting their invoices and signed off loan terms if there is one, it's all got a whiff of the Cliff Clavin (or current analogy for all you youngsters) about it.

Yeah like paying $20k for the car but financing it at 20%. Lol.

[ArKiTeCkT]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

It is all well and good for folks to say - well you shoulda got this and I'd never do that - but unless people are posting their invoices and signed off loan terms if there is one, it's all got a whiff of the Cliff Clavin (or current analogy for all you youngsters) about it.

I definitely agree.

I'll post mine when the car comes.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by ArKiTeCkT

Price - 29295(I ordered the BRZ with Sports-Tech package and manual transmission)
Ontario Tire Tax - 29
Freight - 1595
Federal Air Conditioner Tax - 100
Admin Fee - 199
Registration Fee - 299
License fee - 94

So, do some dealerships consider these bolded items the Document Fees? How much is legitimate and how much is pure profit for the dealer? Is there a site to find out the specific fees for each province?

Everybody else in Ontario has to pay the Tire Tax, the AC Tax (Canada), and... License fee?

I'm hoping a lot of 'final costs' are released for people. Interested to see what extra fees are tacked on by dealers.

[ArKiTeCkT]

Originally Posted by Enemies

So, do some dealerships consider these bolded items the Document Fees? How much is legitimate and how much is pure profit for the dealer? Is there a site to find out the specific fees for each province?

Everybody else in Ontario has to pay the Tire Tax, the AC Tax (Canada), and... License fee?

I'm hoping a lot of 'final costs' are released for people. Interested to see what extra fees are tacked on by dealers.

From other threads it seems like its standard(tire tax, ac tax). License fee is standard if you are not doing a trade in.

Here's your answer for your question:

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

So in other words you are paying $500 over MSRP. Admin and registration = pure profit for the dealer.

[Mr.Jay]

I'm still in shock we didn't get the usual mark up

[ArKiTeCkT]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I'm still in shock we didn't get the usual mark up

Im glad they didn't...cuz guess what thats more money that stays in my pocket...

Subaru Canada

[djdnz]

After I saw the price I went to put down my deposit. WRB Sport-Tech Manual.

No markup. Still have yet to get #'s for finance rates. I am hoping they are reasonable, but the guys at the dealership were thinking 5.9% like the STI. I'd prefer 1.9% otherwise I might as well just pay cash.

Pretty happy to see that we're not getting screwed in Canada for this car.

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet but this is what my dealer sent me, it's a PDF with the options and prices from Subaru Canada.

I'm interested to see the brakes are listed differently from model to model, I was under the impression they were the same. I am cautiously optimistic about this.

[Sport-Tech]

^ Actually there are no options/accessories listed in that PDF, but it does fully describe what are in the base and Sport-Tech packages. Slightly bigger brakes in the latter - I wonder if that holds for the US Limited as well? Not heard it mentioned so far.

[l8apexr]

$500 "market adjustment" seems reasonable considering the dealer is only getting 7 BRZ's!

The one post earlier (#29) mentioned a dealer had taken 9 deposits but would be only getting 5 cars. Maybe they're getting 7 cars. Who knows. But in either case, they won't have any units to sell past above those who have put deposits down. So if they decide on only a $500 "market adjustment" then that is quite good!

Think about it. Dlrs are individually owned and operated. They could charge whatever they wanted. And with only 4 or 5 or 7 units coming to them, according to the posts above...... seems they could charge an even higher market-adjustment if they wanted to!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by l8apexr

$500 "market adjustment" seems reasonable considering the dealer is only getting 7 BRZ's!

The one post earlier (#29) mentioned a dealer had taken 9 deposits but would be only getting 5 cars. Maybe they're getting 7 cars. Who knows. But in either case, they won't have any units to sell past above those who have put deposits down. So if they decide on only a $500 "market adjustment" then that is quite good!

Think about it. Dlrs are individually owned and operated. They could charge whatever they wanted. And with only 4 or 5 or 7 units coming to them, according to the posts above...... seems they could charge an even higher market-adjustment if they wanted to!

You sound like a dealer. The nice thing is that their future alotments of all cars can also be adjusted by SCI given vocal ripped-off-feeling customers. The manufacturer suggests a fair and profitable price. Disagreeing by charging more is disrespectful to both the customer and the manufacturer since the loss of goodwill gets attributed to the whole brand.

And the $500 isn't an adjustment in that sense anyways. I would bet they try that fee bullshit with all their customers. It is also complete BS as profitabilty is calculated in the MSRP. Pure greed.

[Aznek]

Originally Posted by l8apexr

$500 "market adjustment" seems reasonable considering the dealer is only getting 7 BRZ's!

The one post earlier (#29) mentioned a dealer had taken 9 deposits but would be only getting 5 cars. Maybe they're getting 7 cars. Who knows. But in either case, they won't have any units to sell past above those who have put deposits down. So if they decide on only a $500 "market adjustment" then that is quite good!

Think about it. Dlrs are individually owned and operated. They could charge whatever they wanted. And with only 4 or 5 or 7 units coming to them, according to the posts above...... seems they could charge an even higher market-adjustment if they wanted to!

The fact is they labeled it as an administration fee and a registration fee. Sure, if you have a small allocation of vehicles and believe you can raise the price to adjust for the market then all the power to you, but if you're mislabeling it as an admin fee or a registration fee (two seemingly standard fees to the first time car buyer) then you are deceiving your customers.

The fact that the salesman split it up into two separate charges tells me that the salesman thought lumping the up-charge into one charge would be too noticeable and believed that by splitting it into two smaller, official looking charges it would be easier to fool customers.

When I first saw architect mention his pricing I actually believed that the registration charge was legitimate (first time car buyer here).