FRS VS BRZ

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Entroper

When I say "capable of either" I don't mean a car that understeers all the time but you can technically make it rotate through brute force. I mean it's in the middle and you can get it to go either way easily.

Got it, that makes more sense.

[White0utFrs]

Brz handles better? Think you should research "different tires"..

[tahdizzle]

I think what was meant to be said was the BRZ handles differently, and to him* it handles better.

[s0sl0w]

Originally Posted by litemup

Duly noted. Guess I need to start looking for some BRZ springs.

Edit: I take it back. There is an SAE definition for the terms as well as a specific test. I'm slapping my forehead for having forgotten it from school. Simply put, with the vehicle going in a fixed-radius circle, while gradually increasing speed, at the limits of adhesion, what does the driver have to do to maintain the fixed radius?

Turn more = understeer
Turn less = oversteer

I've been practising this in empty parking lots since I first started driving the car but failed to remember the reason why I did it the first time - tuning the suspension of our formula SAE car in college. DUH!

(yeah, I finally played that card)

Sticking to my original argument, the FR-S is pretty damn neutral. Pick up the speed steadily and one feels all 4 wheels let go at the same time.

This is a very specific test and, by itself, is not a fair way to describe overall handling. Compared to any other reasonably accessible performance machine on the road, out of the box, nothing comes close to either of these cars.

...IMHO

You just restated what I already said, a single event corner. So next time you decide to drive in big circles in parking lots go ahead try to suddenly flip the wheel the other way. The FRS will spin out before the BRZ.

Still stock for stock the BRZ is the (minutely) faster car around a given road course. does thay really matter? Depends on how you use your car, certain classes in autoX/racing then sure but once you modify the cars suspension it's irrelevant. I'd still rather have the BRZ because a multiple of reasons (the only objective one being the Bi-Xenons) but there are other threads for that.

[litemup]

Originally Posted by s0sl0w

You just restated what I already said, a single event corner. So next time you decide to drive in big circles in parking lots go ahead try to suddenly flip the wheel the other way. The FRS will spin out before the BRZ.

Still stock for stock the BRZ is the (minutely) faster car around a given road course. does thay really matter? Depends on how you use your car, certain classes in autoX/racing then sure but once you modify the cars suspension it's irrelevant. I'd still rather have the BRZ because a multiple of reasons (the only objective one being the Bi-Xenons) but there are other threads for that.

Ok, then I guess I'm back to looking for some BRZ springs. ...and hey, there's nothing wrong with driving in big circles in parking lots.

[nickhabi]

Guys, I request for your expertise on the pricing of the following car:

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Scion/FR-...howcpo=ShowCPO

Is it a good purchase, was able to knock it down $500 to $26,500. Many thanks!

Doesn't seem like the dealer knows its monogram, even then how is the pricing for a 2014 monogram series?

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by nickhabi

Guys, I request for your expertise on the pricing of the following car:

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Scion/FR-...howcpo=ShowCPO

Is it a good purchase, was able to knock it down $500 to $26,500. Many thanks!

Doesn't seem like the dealer knows its monogram, even then how is the pricing for a 2014 monogram series?

Sorry but they are asking $27k for a used car with almost 6000 miles, NO WARRANTY, and its not certified pre owned, also at the bottom of the description there is an additional $550 "documentation" fee.

Its also listed close to $2k over KBB value.

I would not touch it with a 10 foot pole.

EDIT: This is canada so my opinion is based of US market and may not be valid. I still say avoid this at all costs though.

[DylanFRS]

Buy the BRZ. Worth the extra couple thousand dollars so that you can look down your nose at all of the FR-S owners.

[RussianNinja]

Originally Posted by White0utFrs

Brz handles better? Think you should research "different tires"..

According to Scion and Subaru Comparison tool on the website, both vehicles use P215/45WR17 BSW Performance Tires
Unless they are lying out of their a I'm pretty sure they are the same tires. But as well, I am not sure what it is that you mean by quoted different tires. Sarcasm?

Personally on FR-S vs BRZ, Subaru has made this car more luxury with simple interior upgrades.
The Monogram and Limited are still different though.
Subaru also now offers the Blue Series with a new body kit.
Even though, yes you can upgrade the base model yourself, it is still not the same as getting it the way you want it right from the start. Just personal opinion.

[Scenic Driver]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Buy the BRZ. Worth the extra couple thousand dollars so that you can look down your nose at all of the FR-S owners.

That's why I got one, I feel superior every time I see an FR-S on the street.

[themajesticone]

Ironically, because you think that way, (if srs) you are then inferior

[tahdizzle]

His name was Robert Paulson

[Ubersuber]

And for 2015 they will likely handle the same, ending this debate authoritatively from the factory.

One assumes the 2015 suspension upgrade to the FRS is just switching to BRZ springs since no upgrade is mentioned in connection with the 2015 BRZ, yet.

Hopefully, the BRZ will receive whatever else is done, better rear shocks would be a good start and if the bolts are changed in the FRS then I expect the BRZ will get the same.

[nzer]

Unless you are a pretty good driver you would not notice the difference. I know I couldn't.

So, go for the look/badge/price you prefer.