Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Gary in NJ]

Fast Freddy...don't be fooled by the name.

[shif7i7down]

Originally Posted by Gary in NJ

Fast Freddy...don't be fooled by the name.

Anywho, as for stock supercharger kits, i still haven't seen any that will break into the 13s without additional upgrades $$$; phantom esc included of course. best i was able to do with 93oct was 14.01 on the esc.
Not sure what the other sc kits are at but I'm assuming it's roughly the same et if I'm not mistaken.

With that said i will have to agree that if you are looking for big power and what to be in the 12's and under, i would suggest going traditional fi, but if your happy with mid 13's , a 1.5dump esc with 4.67fd and e85 will do the trick for under 3k usd.

Dont forget to add money for the header and exhaust if would like the extra sound and hp bump, but as far as hitting mid 13s. A 1850usd esc kit with 165usd batteries plus a 300usd mk3 8" ring and pinion final drive and 500usd install will get you there. Oh and e85 of course.

Edit: mid 13s on stock everything and only 3k down makes for a pretty fast dd, you should be able to beat 90% of cars, trucks and soccer mom's on the public road

[shif7i7down]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

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Anyway, I'm quite certain that if you permit Nlowell to downshift his Kraftwerks boosted 86 that he will have no difficulty dispatching any half-ass ESC challenger in 0-60, 0-100, 1/8, 1/4 mile, etc. The same goes for Innovate, Jackson, Vortech, AVO, and all the rest. You really need to stick with the "we may be slower but we only cost 2/3 as much" argument since that is the only truth I've ever seen you utter.

Hey Freddy, I'm willing to take you up on that offer, I'm in Wisconsin, if your can convince Anyone on this forum with one of the kits that you mention and is still in stock forum with ots tune, I'll race then with my stock esc. Ill do it for a tank of gas and 10 stfu coupon "redeemable online toward fast freddy ", location; "union grove drag way" in Racine, Wisconsin.

Let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

[raven1231]

I should know on the 1st what the 1.5 e85 Esc can do on the 1/4

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Sorry Fenton but in all honesty I don't believe that you are capable of learning any new tricks. If you're really as addicted to torque as you claim to be, I strongly suggest that you look into larger displacement V6's and V8's rather than battery powered leaf-blowers bolted to 2L H4s! My 1968 396 SS Camaro comes to mind when you bleat about "torque".


Like you I am currently without FI but unlike you I would prefer to wait for the real thing or even forego it rather than half-ass it. Not that there's anything wrong with this half-ass ESC FI as long as you keep in mind that it is what it is. It's only when you delude yourself and try to convince others into believing that it is somehow equal to or better than the real thing that people like me will no longer be able to bite our tongues hard enough to not call you out on it.


Anyway, I'm quite certain that if you permit Nlowell to downshift his Kraftwerks boosted 86 that he will have no difficulty dispatching any half-ass ESC challenger in 0-60, 0-100, 1/8, 1/4 mile, etc. The same goes for Innovate, Jackson, Vortech, AVO, and all the rest. You really need to stick with the "we may be slower but we only cost 2/3 as much" argument since that is the only truth I've ever seen you utter.

Ya ill grab a camaro SS, i always wanted a land yacht. I dont know what i was thinking i somehow forgot that positive manifold pressure =! FI.

You want to know why this thread has the most views in the FI section and is nearing 500k? It is because this is the perfect amount of performance for the street and at a very reasonable cost. When you add in the easy installation and removal there is nothing that is easier.

Thing is, we use to be WAY slower than most FI... WIth the advancements(1.5 dump conversion) and e85 we are nipping at the heels of most superchargers all the way to about 6500rpm....which lets be honest is 90% of the powerband. Not to mention the fact that torque below 5000rpm goes to the ESC no contest. I dont really care if everyone loves the ESC....everyone that has one certainly loves it and right now there approximately 50 people waiting in line to get one.

Must be doing something terribly wrong i guess.....

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[fenton]

Originally Posted by fenton

Ya ill grab a camaro SS, i always wanted a land yacht. I dont know what i was thinking i somehow forgot that positive manifold pressure =! boost.

You want to know why this thread has the most views in the FI section and is nearing 500k? It is because this is the perfect amount of performance for the street and at a very reasonable cost. When you add in the easy installation and removal there is nothing that is easier.

Thing is we use to be WAY slower than most FI... WIth the advancements(1.5 dump conversion) and e85 we are nipping at the heels of most superchargers all the way to about 6500rpm....which lets be honest is 90% of the powerband. Not to mention the fact that torque below 5000rpm goes to the ESC no contest. I dont really care of everyone loves the ESC....everyone that has one certainly loves it and right now there approximately 50 people waiting in line to get one.

Must be doing something terribly wrong i guess.....

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[robwbright]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Sorry Fenton but in all honesty I don't believe that you are capable of learning any new tricks. If you're really as addicted to torque as you claim to be, I strongly suggest that you look into larger displacement V6's and V8's rather than battery powered leaf-blowers bolted to 2L H4s! My 1968 396 SS Camaro comes to mind when you bleat about "torque".


Like you I am currently without FI but unlike you I would prefer to wait for the real thing or even forego it rather than half-ass it. Not that there's anything wrong with this half-ass ESC FI as long as you keep in mind that it is what it is. It's only when you delude yourself and try to convince others into believing that it is somehow equal to or better than the real thing that people like me will no longer be able to bite our tongues hard enough to not call you out on it.


Anyway, I'm quite certain that if you permit Nlowell to downshift his Kraftwerks boosted 86 that he will have no difficulty dispatching any half-ass ESC challenger in 0-60, 0-100, 1/8, 1/4 mile, etc. The same goes for Innovate, Jackson, Vortech, AVO, and all the rest. You really need to stick with the "we may be slower but we only cost 2/3 as much" argument since that is the only truth I've ever seen you utter.

Freddy, have you actually ridden in or driven a Phantom ESC car? If so, and you don't care for it, then fine. To each his own.

If not, then what's the point of either talking up or talking down something about which you have no actual experience with?

[bfrank1972]

I think my money would be on nlowells kraftwerks kit, but I'm definitely interested to see how the ESC compares. I predict from a lower rpm roll the ESC would have a brief advantage until the centrifugal sc gets into its power band, then it should close and pass pretty quickly. Doo eet!


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[fenton]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I think my money would be on nlowells kraftwerks kit, but I'm definitely interested to see how the ESC compares. I predict from a lower rpm roll the ESC would have a brief advantage until the centrifugal sc gets into its power band, then it should close and pass pretty quickly. Doo eet!


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I am excited to see a comparo. Dont get me wrong I know the kraftwerks will pull eventually, the question is how long to close the gap.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by fenton

I am excited to see a comparo. Dont get me wrong I know the kraftwerks will pull eventually, the question is how long to close the gap.

Me too

Also depends a lot on the centrifugal SC setup.

The off the shelf Vortech kit is tuned way conservatively from everything I've read (around 230 whp). My money would be on the ESC vs this setup!

Shiv's Vortech OTS tune is still safe but makes quite a bit more power (270+ whp). Then you've got Kraftwerks and JR, which are well tuned systems using the OTS maps (Ecutek), and are similar to Shiv's Vortech system. And then you have the guys making silly power with E85, but then you're talking additional supporting mods, custom tune etc.

It also would be neat to switch drivers and do a back to back subjective comparison.

[enwave]

Originally Posted by fenton

I am excited to see a comparo. Dont get me wrong I know the kraftwerks will pull eventually, the question is how long to close the gap.

This.

Also, Freddy reminds me of one of those skinny dudes who sit off to the side of a pickup basketball game heckling the people playing.


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[raven1231]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Me too

Also depends a lot on the centrifugal SC setup.

The off the shelf Vortech kit is tuned way conservatively from everything I've read (around 230 whp). My money would be on the ESC vs this setup!

Shiv's Vortech OTS tune is still safe but makes quite a bit more power (270+ whp). Then you've got Kraftwerks and JR, which are well tuned systems using the OTS maps (Ecutek), and are similar to Shiv's Vortech system. And then you have the guys making silly power with E85, but then you're talking additional supporting mods, custom tune etc.

It also would be neat to switch drivers and do a back to back subjective comparison.

Where is topgear when you need them lol. Would be a lot more interesting than most the other comparisons on this site....frs vs veyron. Which should I get ?

[raven1231]

you're right freddy....now can you leave us alone while we talk about our leaf blowers please

[shif7i7down]

Unlike freddy i don't like bench racing much, although it's fun to use your imagination it's all subjective as to how imaginative people are.
I'd rather Just do it the old fashion way...so if we could somehow schedule a meet at the track, it would make for a fun fact finding day and put all this bench racing to an end