86 (FR-S) vs BRZ real-time comparison on Tsukuba circuit attack by Nakaya

[czar07]

Originally Posted by JDM-dono

looks like frs/86 is very fun to drive but its just a shame it doesn't have the brz front end :(

But yer likewise, would like to hear the driver impressions.

LOL first time ive heard anyone say that

[Alias]

Speaking as someone who had a preorder in on the brz (till the dealership tacked $2500 onto the agreed price) and hasn't set foot on a scion dealership, the brz looks positively boring in comparison to the 86. I think the frs might not be as crappy of a deal as it appears.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Alias

Speaking as someone who had a preorder in on the brz (till the dealership tacked $2500 onto the agreed price) and hasn't set foot on a scion dealership, the brz looks positively boring in comparison to the 86. I think the frs might not be as crappy of a deal as it appears.

Depends on what you consider fun I guess. To me the 86 looks like a handful, like it was setup to oversteer on corner exit no matter what the driver did to keep it in line. I guess you could consider that a good thing. Keep in mind if you wanted to have oversteer and fistfuls of oppo in the BRZ it's just a matter of stepping on the gas a little harder than necessary or braking late and flicking the wheel hard into a corner. If you're trying to just drive fast on a track, you want your lap to look a lot more like the BRZ lap. The time difference in these videos came down to the driver slowing down a lot more for the turn at :30 for some reason, and the BRZ was behind from that point on. I am really interested to see which one the driver preferred.

[brzmaybe]

Also looks like the 86 was about 1.1 secs faster around the course.

[Turbowned]

Honestly, having watched that I'm a little upset to see the BRZ look that much more neutral than the 86. I expected it to be a little less so. Thank goodness for the aftermarket, because I won't want it to stay like that! I prefer a car that's a little more loose. I wonder if that setup might be more useful once power is added, though. If the 86/FR-S is that tail-happy with 200hp, how might it behave with close to 300hp?

[86fanatic]

Pretty much confirms the FRS is the car for me.

[SUB-FT86]

So what I get from this is the BRZ is more DD friendly and the FR-S is more track friendly? I'm not a track guy so the BRZ would still be the car for me out of the two.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

So what I get from this is the BRZ is more DD friendly and the FR-S is more track friendly? I'm not a track guy so the BRZ would still be the car for me out of the two.

FRS is more drift friendly. DD it won't make a difference. On track you'll have to do a lot more countersteering.

[SpeedR]

I would not read much in to this drivers are not machines good drivers in a car at this level can easily have more than a seconds worth of variation between laps. It defiantly looked to me like the driver was pushing the FR-s harder and that’s where most of the extra speed is from. The difference in the cars handling setup is only a few lbs in the springs only fairly experienced drivers are going to really utilize the slip angle of the FR-S. I think most people will be happy with ether car and won’t ever be able to tell any real difference. So unless you have been doing lots of Auto-X and RR I would not be overly conserved about the differences.

[uspspro]

Originally Posted by czar07

LOL first time ive heard anyone say that

I also prefer the BRZ front end.

To me the FRS bumper looks like either a catfish or this...

[BigFatFlip]

Originally Posted by SpeedR

I would not read much in to this drivers are not machines good drivers in a car at this level can easily have more than a seconds worth of variation between laps. It defiantly looked to me like the driver was pushing the FR-s harder and that’s where most of the extra speed is from. The difference in the cars handling setup is only a few lbs in the springs only fairly experienced drivers are going to really utilize the slip angle of the FR-S. I think most people will be happy with ether car and won’t ever be able to tell any real difference. So unless you have been doing lots of Auto-X and RR I would not be overly conserved about the differences.

^Yep, well said. I wouldn't read to much into this. There is a reason why consistency is a quality found only in the most top level drivers. Not to say that this driver isn't up there, but typically, you can have variations, even in the same car, from lap to lap, and ~1.1 sec doesn't seem too far out. This doesn't change my BRZ decision, I say get the one you want.

[uspspro]

There are other videos with the BRZ drifting all over the place. I wouldn't take this as some definitive example.

Also, once you change the dampers and/or springs all of this comparison is thrown out the window!

[86fanatic]

I don't know guys, Tsukuba Circuit is a very short circuit, shorter then the Top Gear test track. 1.1 does seem reasonably significant to me.

Don't want to get into magazine racing too much, but the video shows it's pretty clear that the vehicles behave pretty different at the limits. Not many of you will be driving it at the limit so it shouldn't weigh your decision too much.

[yajin]

Just as a reference, you can see a time atack review w/ the 86 on the same circuit, Tsukuba, in the latest "Hot-Version", vol 115.

http://www.hot-version.jp/main/digest.php?si=1115

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I don't know who drove the 86 (and its spec) and what the record is.....