STX Rules and Setup Questions

[BlaineWasHere]

Originally Posted by conedodging

Bill, I'm in STX right now in the WRX, on RCE T2s. Nice to know the twin won't be much harsher.

Weeple, good to know it won't work like that. I was really hoping it was a setup that could be upgraded. Vs getting konis, doing CS for a while, then buying new stuff for STX.

maybe I'll just do bar & tires for a little while, then dive right in. Still wavering on actually going through with this or not, but, there will be some 'for sale' signs on the WRX at Packwood this weekend...

I've got almost 70k miles on my FR-S and about 60k has been on the KWs btw.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere

I've got almost 70k miles on my FR-S and about 60k has been on the KWs btw.

How are yours holding up, finish/valving/condition?? only 23k on mine. and doing exactly what they need to do.. no issues..

Bill

[BlaineWasHere]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

How are yours holding up, finish/valving/condition?? only 23k on mine. and doing exactly what they need to do.. no issues..

Bill

They are still the same as when I bolted them on the car! I also live in sunny California so they hardly even see rain so no weather deterioration. If I cleaned them up they would still look brand new. I've gotten my moneys worth out of them for sure!

[conedodging]

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere

I've got almost 70k miles on my FR-S and about 60k has been on the KWs btw.

Good to know. My T2s are currently the same as far as being high mileage and being fine.

[MTCRX]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

They are legal.. I plan to put the STi Stuff on my car Front lip, Side skirts and Rear Aprons from the "Blue" model ...Here is the Rule.


The part I am not Clear about is, Is the same stuff legal for FRS's...

12.3 MODEL
A group of cars of a given make which have virtually identical bodies and chassis but are readily distinguished from other models of the same make by virtue of a major difference in body appearance and/or chassis design. The names by which the manufacturer designates these groups have no bearing on this definition even though two (2) groups may be designated identically.

Bill

I find this topic interesting because I too was for some reason under the impression that aero parts were illegal in STX even though it states on the first page that these parts are legal. I like your idea of the front splitter to protect the front of the car. I have wanted to do this since I too have broken on of the front bumper supports hitting a cone.

As far as the "model" definition goes, I read that as the parts are legal across all the model variants if they are legal for one (although they are talking about variants within one manufacturer's lineup). The problem is I have an FR-S and I do not believe Scion/Toyota sells a front splitter in the accessories catalog. There may be a TRD part, but that is the performance catalog. Since the FR-S and BRZ front fascia are different they are not interchangeable. Does anyone see this differently? And more importantly does anyone know of a front splitter U.S. accessory from Scion Toyota? If they have one you could then buy any comparable splitter from aftermarket suppliers.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by MTCRX

I find this topic interesting because I too was for some reason under the impression that aero parts were illegal in STX even though it states on the first page that these parts are legal. I like your idea of the front splitter to protect the front of the car. I have wanted to do this since I too have broken on of the front bumper supports hitting a cone.

As far as the "model" definition goes, I read that as the parts are legal across all the model variants if they are legal for one (although they are talking about variants within one manufacturer's lineup). The problem is I have an FR-S and I do not believe Scion/Toyota sells a front splitter in the accessories catalog. There may be a TRD part, but that is the performance catalog. Since the FR-S and BRZ front fascia are different they are not interchangeable. Does anyone see this differently? And more importantly does anyone know of a front splitter U.S. accessory from Scion Toyota? If they have one you could then buy any comparable splitter from aftermarket suppliers.

I can understand your confusion... A few Years ago, 'Real' Aero(Wings, Splitters,) was allowed in ST. it was then ruled Illegal for the BIG wings and splitters.. the new rule for allowed 'Factory' Additions of lips and wings, OEM type that comes on US models

Bill

[Scooby South]

This was in 2009.. I think 2010 or 11 they outlawed Aero stuff



Bill

[xDanger_208x]

I was struggling like crazy for rear grip this weekend. I'm always fighting oversteer at this particular venue.
I have RCE Tarmac 2's and a Whiteline 22mm front bar on the stiff setting. Stock rear bar. Would I be nuts to go to the soft setting on the front bar and ditch the rear all together?
I've tried multiple settings with rebound/compression but even with the rear rebound 2 clicks from full soft she still gets tail happy.

[bimmer635csi]

Originally Posted by xDanger_208x

I was struggling like crazy for rear grip this weekend. I'm always fighting oversteer at this particular venue.
I have RCE Tarmac 2's and a Whiteline 22mm front bar on the stiff setting. Stock rear bar. Would I be nuts to go to the soft setting on the front bar and ditch the rear all together?
I've tried multiple settings with rebound/compression but even with the rear rebound 2 clicks from full soft she still gets tail happy.

I don't think anyone would consider it nuts if it made the car hook up more. Chances are, people would be wondering what you did.


I did this on my VW GTI as well (on the rear bar). I had a vastly stiffer rear bar than stock, but still stock up front for G-Street. I had to run the softest setting possible to keep the car from drifting. The soft setting is still more stiff than stock, so it is still an improvement.


Another option (for ST_ anyway) is to put a matching rear bar on your car. It just depends how tied together you want the left and right sides of your car.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by xDanger_208x

I was struggling like crazy for rear grip this weekend. I'm always fighting oversteer at this particular venue.
I have RCE Tarmac 2's and a Whiteline 22mm front bar on the stiff setting. Stock rear bar. Would I be nuts to go to the soft setting on the front bar and ditch the rear all together?
I've tried multiple settings with rebound/compression but even with the rear rebound 2 clicks from full soft she still gets tail happy.

What your alignment specs??? that has alot to do with it also.. Rake is another element that would need to be looked at. just to know what to recommend.

Bill

[Racecomp Engineering]

Yes alignment and rake are important!

Also, where is the oversteer occuring? Entry, exit, mid-corner?

- Andy

[xDanger_208x]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

What your alignment specs??? that has alot to do with it also.. Rake is another element that would need to be looked at. just to know what to recommend.

Bill

0 toe front and rear.
2 degrees rear camber.
3.3 degrees front camber.
Rake was almost .5" higher in the rear but I've since fixed that.

[xDanger_208x]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Yes alignment and rake are important!

Also, where is the oversteer occuring? Entry, exit, mid-corner?

- Andy

Entry and mid corner mostly

[vroom4]

Try giving it up more prior to the elements and concentrating on late apexing everything. That fixed my early corner push problems and is usually a much faster line as well.