Why do people do wild swaps(RB, LS1), when u can just buy a Porsche, Ferrari, etc?

[Reaper]

search craigslist for Ls rx7s. Found a few already.

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[fooddude]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

If anyone is interested there is, as we speak, a company with huge credentials making a bolt in staged kit that wont require major surgery to your FT86, integration with the can bus system, which means all factory gauges work. Its not available yet but they anticipate selling quite a few.

You mean a bolt-on mounting kit for an LSx engine in the Twin??

I thought I read someone has made, or was making this, before already? Info/links please?

What's a "can bus system"?? typo?

[Reaper]

Weapon grade performance in Connecticut sells a kit. Or they will sell turn key cars if you want.

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[inertia]

The LS block, pistons, and rods are not as strong as you think they are guys

[fooddude]

Ya...it wasn't until this thread did I know the LS was so popular (from everyone always posting about it, and only IT, lol)....all I've been seeing for the past decade or two is 2JZ this and RB that.

So...what do you guys think the Japanese think about the LSx engine? I'm know they've been doing the more common RB and 2JZ swaps for a long time too (old Option magazines lol). You think they dig LSx engines too, or are gonna start diggin them?

[Reaper]

Checkout nelson race engines. 2000hp pump gas. Swap that in.

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[inertia]

Originally Posted by fooddude

Just curious who else thinks spending grip loads of money on a wild and crazy engine swap (Corvette, V8, RB, JZ, etc.) on their Twin is something they would never do if they had the money?

I think it's really cool, interesting and all. But, if I was rich and if I had the money, I don't think I would ever do it.

I would just go buy something that is already built, fast and well engineered...like a porsche or maybe even a second hand ferrari or some other fast car..

I mean..the Twin is very cool and all - it's light, well balanced, has a great suspension and chassis design...but, once you swap a humongo engine in it, it is nowhere as light anymore and the balance would be super jacked up. Additionally, once you modify the suspension bits on it to fit 285-315+ tires and 11-13" wheels on it, the suspension geometry will be all out of whack as well. Lastly, no matter what you do it, how much you dump into it and modify it, it's still an econobox at it's core.

Once you fit a Corvette/RB/JZ/V8 engine in a Twin, with 11-13" wheels, an ugly rocket bunny kit...you end up with a ricey, super unbalanced car with suspension parts/geometry that can't handle those wheels, nonstop daily troubleshooting and as reliable as a yugo or pinto. Not to mention tens of thousands of dollars to make that happen.

...why not just get a car that already has a powerful engine, with wheels/tires/suspension designed specifically for that badarse engine and chassis?

..why not just spend that money on a clean, reliable, well built and engineered, proven performance, no daily troubleshooting, already built, fast car.. like a Porsche or other cheaper supercar?

All you really need to do is maybe swap in some Penske coilovers on the Porsche, upgrade wheels/tires, and maybe a few other easy bolt ons...and it'll surely beat the pants off an LS1/RB/JZ powered Twin at the track...no? ...and it'll be perfectly DD'able too


If you were rich or had money to do these crazy swaps, but would rather buy a better, already built, car..which car would you buy? (idk anything about expensive cars lol..so I am curious as to what car you would get that's reasonably priced for a super car...all I know is the porsche lol)


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Have you every owned a Porsche, Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lambo, Audi, etc???

You have to factor in the maintenance and upkeep of these cars which is NOT CHEAP! As far as your comments of unbalance and effected suspension, do you have any facts to backup these "statements"? Do you personally own or know someone with a LS/2J/RB twin and has complained about these negative attributes?

At the end of the day it is totally up to whoever to spend money as they please. Maybe they like the bodystyle of the twin compared to a Porsche or Ferrari. Maybe they do not want the attention of driving them either. Maybe they do not want to pay for the insurance or payments to drive an expensive vehicle. Most of the guys that perform these swaps either pick up their BRZ/FRS from the auction cheap or outright pay them off.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by fooddude

But, once you have all of it said and done...it won't really be an easy no fuss street DD car cuz it won't be smog legal (of course, you can always find someone and pay extra to get an illegal smog; but I'm over that lol) ...it'll be basically a racecar/toy that you drive on the streets.

Why wouldn't it be 100% smog legal? We're not talking about putting a carbed SBC in there, the LS motors are modern designs that are still in production.

Originally Posted by fooddude

So...where the videos, pics, links?

I guess the "go-to motor" these days (or at least in this thread) is cutting to the chase and just using a powerful LSx, and not an RB or 2JZ anymore? ...why are the majority of drift Twins in the States and in Japan using 2JZ engines, and not the LSx like everyone is advertising and hyping in this thread?

I'd love to see some videos. 2JZ powered twins (or any car really lol) is pretty darn common...so let's see some LSx powered twins (or other similar weighted/designed import cars with LSx engines)

Japanese car culture is going to favor Japanese engines, simple as that.

Originally Posted by inertia

The LS block, pistons, and rods are not as strong as you think they are guys

Strong enough to push double the output of the twins with ease... The block is fine, and pistons and rods are CHEAP for the LS motors.

Originally Posted by fooddude

Ya...it wasn't until this thread did I know the LS was so popular (from everyone always posting about it, and only IT, lol)....all I've been seeing for the past decade or two is 2JZ this and RB that.

So...what do you guys think the Japanese think about the LSx engine? I'm know they've been doing the more common RB and 2JZ swaps for a long time too (old Option magazines lol). You think they dig LSx engines too, or are gonna start diggin them?

LS motors are common here, not so common there...


But this is relevant:

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by fooddude

But, once you have all of it said and done...it won't really be an easy no fuss street DD car cuz it won't be smog legal (of course, you can always find someone and pay extra to get an illegal smog; but I'm over that lol) ...it'll be basically a racecar/toy that you drive on the streets.

Sorry but yes it will be no fuss DD smog legal even in Cali for Cali customers,....and yes A/C.

[pche]

Yea I'd just buy a new Corvette.......

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by pche

Yea I'd just buy a new Corvette.......

To easy,....to many out there......to many secretaries and soccer moms driving them.....the stigma of owning one. I really like the gt86 platform and see the potential.

[Reaper]

Consumables on the corvette are pricy. But then again your not saving much money doing an engine swap.

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[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Consumables on the corvette are pricy. But then again your not saving much money doing an engine swap.

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This could be done on the cheap once the kit is available if someone was inclined to do the work, rebuild a junkyard LS themselves etc..etc.. every part of the kit can be bought individually. In the future high mileage BRZ and FRS's which retailed in the 24 to 27 k range new are going to be cheap buys
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[Reaper]

Oh I know. Ive put ls' and lq9's in a few things. I was saying its not cheaper then the outrageously expensive brakes and tires on a vette

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