Tein Street Advance BRZ/GT-86/FR-S Coilovers Released in Japan

[sirus]

Originally Posted by fatoni

As much as I would like to bicker ,I can't argue any of . I do thin that three mono flex if a least ass good a what kw has to offer but I admit that is subjective

^^ lol is this predictive text or drunk?

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by fatoni

As much as I would like to bicker ,I can't argue any of . I do thin that three mono flex if a least ass good a what kw has to offer but I admit that is subjective

one thing i noticed was that the monoflex has bump and rebound on one adjustment. my V3s have separate adjustments for both.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

A variety mostly for integras. Dynos of them were horrible too. Models I can't recall but it wasn't all their low end stuff. I gave up on them in 04 or 05 probably and would rather run stuff that I know works.

Tein has a huge range in their product line. Penske doesn't make anything close to Tein's lowend stuff price-wise but Tein have setups that will will compete with those highend brands, but they are not cheap. The 'stock' Sti that SOA set the Isle of Man record with last year was on Tein Rallymaster double adjuster remote reservoir (or something, they weren't very forthcoming about it) setup.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by sirus

^^ lol is this predictive text or drunk?

Yeah...stupid phone and its Swype. Also ipas

[yeabude]

Would really like to see what ohlins has in store for the brz, always wanted a set of those.
Dave out of all the coilovers you had experience with which did you like the most and why?

[ZetaVI]

Nice seeing coilovers released already.

[chulooz]

Damn, there are going to be tons of 'tuners' that 'upgrade' their setups to realistically junk products. And I dont think tein makes any products that can match penske quality.

[#87]

I will run stock until someone else pays to find out the best street setup

In the mean time I'll get a set of wheels and look forward to some power upgrade.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by yeabude

Would really like to see what ohlins has in store for the brz, always wanted a set of those.
Dave out of all the coilovers you had experience with which did you like the most and why?

For this car? Probably not much. Bilstein Sports and GCs with custom rates or I'll try ASTs or KW V3s/CS if they have them. I look forward to the guys who really know what they are talking about to test and develop good systems. All of my experience is from driving cars with various setups, what I like when I'm driving doesn't mean it's the fastest or best. For most of us (myself included unless I decide to go for nationals in the BRZ) there won't be much benefit of running things like Penskes. Law of diminishing returns applies here for any street car/light autocross/light track use.

RCE I believe can get custom valved Bilsteins and there are others that can as well. Koni's are great too for the money. IMO stick with those shocks and ground controls with whatever spring rates you want.

For those who are really serious, they likely already have their favorite, whether it's Motons, Koni Race (real ones), Ohlins, Penske, etc. I'd probably go with Penske, or if this was a Honda a high end Showa like the Mugen or Spoon N1. You can run 1,400lb/in springs and it feels more or less like a car with a stock suspension. Great dampers are required for high spring rates, and it's where a lot of OTS setups fail. RCE has a shock dyno IIRC so I look forward to seeing them post shock dynos of products for this car. There's a Koni employee that's big into the honda scene and will test aftermarket gear on Koni's shock dyno for free (or used to be for free, not sure anymore) and send the results back to the owners (and post them on honda-tech back in the day). I've seen some pretty bad results with things like JIC, Tein, etc.

I'll stop argueing that the brands I don't use may make great products, I just haven't experienced their great products. I also like shocks that can be easily rebuilt in the US, that may be true with some of the JDM brands these days but it wasn't when I was more into this stuff.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

For this car? Probably not much. Bilstein Sports and GCs with custom rates or I'll try ASTs or KW V3s/CS if they have them. I look forward to the guys who really know what they are talking about to test and develop good systems. All of my experience is from driving cars with various setups, what I like when I'm driving doesn't mean it's the fastest or best. For most of us (myself included unless I decide to go for nationals in the BRZ) there won't be much benefit of running things like Penskes. Law of diminishing returns applies here for any street car/light autocross/light track use.

RCE I believe can get custom valved Bilsteins and there are others that can as well. Koni's are great too for the money. IMO stick with those shocks and ground controls with whatever spring rates you want.

For those who are really serious, they likely already have their favorite, whether it's Motons, Koni Race (real ones), Ohlins, Penske, etc. I'd probably go with Penske, or if this was a Honda a high end Showa like the Mugen or Spoon N1. You can run 1,400lb/in springs and it feels more or less like a car with a stock suspension. Great dampers are required for high spring rates, and it's where a lot of OTS setups fail. RCE has a shock dyno IIRC so I look forward to seeing them post shock dynos of products for this car. There's a Koni employee that's big into the honda scene and will test aftermarket gear on Koni's shock dyno for free (or used to be for free, not sure anymore) and send the results back to the owners (and post them on honda-tech back in the day). I've seen some pretty bad results with things like JIC, Tein, etc.

I'll stop argueing that the brands I don't use may make great products, I just haven't experienced their great products. I also like shocks that can be easily rebuilt in the US, that may be true with some of the JDM brands these days but it wasn't when I was more into this stuff.

1400 lbs/in? thats a little nuts. especially for cars as light as hondas. im sure that wont be needed for the brz due to the macphersons but i do agree that with proper damping, much stiffer rates could easily be more tolerable than oem. my miata with revalved bilsteins was running 550/350 and was firm but supple. my friends with ast were upwards of 700lbs/in and that rode even nicer

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by fatoni

1400 lbs/in? thats a little nuts. especially for cars as light as hondas. im sure that wont be needed for the brz due to the macphersons but i do agree that with proper damping, much stiffer rates could easily be more tolerable than oem. my miata with revalved bilsteins was running 550/350 and was firm but supple. my friends with ast were upwards of 700lbs/in and that rode even nicer

1000F/1400R = a very neutral FWD car with plenty of ability to change the direction of the car with the throttle only :P People drive with those rates on the street too on high end stuff. Personally it's too much spring on the street IMO, I prefer around 400-500F and 600-800R for a street Integra that gets a lot of track use too.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

It's a Tein.. I've yet to drive a set I liked.

Once again, I have to agree with you completely. None of the twin tube or mono tube Tein stuff has impressed me, in some cases it has been far worse then stock. (S2000 is a great example) I drove on a set of the Super Racing I believe the model was called? Anyway, the shock valving and spring rates were light years from each other. This really just goes on my avoid list.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by NESW20

one thing i noticed was that the monoflex has bump and rebound on one adjustment. my V3s have separate adjustments for both.

I felt my V3's (around $2K) offered an excellent performance to dollar ratio. The fact is, unless you simply step up to a quality shock/spring, you are going to have a very hard time purchasing something that isn't worse then the stock setup for less then 2 grand.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

For this car? Probably not much. Bilstein Sports and GCs with custom rates or I'll try ASTs or KW V3s/CS if they have them. I look forward to the guys who really know what they are talking about to test and develop good systems. All of my experience is from driving cars with various setups, what I like when I'm driving doesn't mean it's the fastest or best. For most of us (myself included unless I decide to go for nationals in the BRZ) there won't be much benefit of running things like Penskes. Law of diminishing returns applies here for any street car/light autocross/light track use.

RCE I believe can get custom valved Bilsteins and there are others that can as well. Koni's are great too for the money. IMO stick with those shocks and ground controls with whatever spring rates you want.

For those who are really serious, they likely already have their favorite, whether it's Motons, Koni Race (real ones), Ohlins, Penske, etc. I'd probably go with Penske, or if this was a Honda a high end Showa like the Mugen or Spoon N1. You can run 1,400lb/in springs and it feels more or less like a car with a stock suspension. Great dampers are required for high spring rates, and it's where a lot of OTS setups fail. RCE has a shock dyno IIRC so I look forward to seeing them post shock dynos of products for this car. There's a Koni employee that's big into the honda scene and will test aftermarket gear on Koni's shock dyno for free (or used to be for free, not sure anymore) and send the results back to the owners (and post them on honda-tech back in the day). I've seen some pretty bad results with things like JIC, Tein, etc.

I'll stop argueing that the brands I don't use may make great products, I just haven't experienced their great products. I also like shocks that can be easily rebuilt in the US, that may be true with some of the JDM brands these days but it wasn't when I was more into this stuff.

I am currently running Bilstein shocks with Ground Control sleeves with custom spring rates. Excellent bang for the buck.


On the Penske subject, Anze Suspension will build you anything you want using a Penske damper.

http://www.anzesuspension.com/

My coworkers Elise was literally transformed with one of their top of the line externally reservoired setups, however at 8 thousand dollars, a bit too rich for my blood. However they could likely build a nice single setup with 1 or 2 way valve adjustabilty for nominal money, worlds better then anything else at its price point. Even one of the off the shelf Ohlins DFV kits that will inevitably be released for this car will likely be killer at around $2500 or so.