Autocar: BRZ vs. MX-5 vs. 370Z

[SUB-FT86]

I guess the s2k,rx8,miata,rx7,itr,and LFA didn't come out after the NSX. I hope some of you guys take this review with a massive grain of salt. Not saying I dont believe the car is great but you can honestly see BS when its written.

[DEC1]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Preemptive troll strike, because we know they are coming....

HAHAHAHAHAHA..."preemptive troll strike"...LOVE IT!

[zygrene]

Originally Posted by S2kphile

Having owned a S2000 & driven a NSX, I'd have to say IMHO, I'd rather prefer the NSX over the S2000; although, they are both close in terms of driving & fun factor.

I can't wait until my BRZ-L comes in. I want to drive the sucka NOW!

I have no doubt the NSX is a better driver's car than the S2000. I was actually referring to the BRZ vs the S2000.

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

With a lower CG and wider useable power-band, I think the BRZ might edge the S2000 out. But it would be close. Hopefully a reviewer will do a BRZ vs older greats instead of currently-on-sale greats.

Good point about CG and power-band, but the S2000 does have a higher power-to-weight ratio and accelerates noticeably faster on paper. I guess it just depends on what aspects of performance you think are "fun."

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I guess the s2k,rx8,miata,rx7,itr,and LFA didn't come out after the NSX. I hope some of you guys take this review with a massive grain of salt. Not saying I dont believe the car is great but you can honestly see BS when its written.

LOL at the LFA. Maybe the reviewer meant "best affordable sports car to come out of Japan since the NSX." But I do think the S2K and RX8 could probably give the BRZ a run for its money.

[blu_]

Car magazines are like marketing arms of the auto business with the amount they praise new models.But I do get the feeling that they really do have a hard on for this car.

[blu_]

also the nsx is an entry-level super car. I hope its above the s2000 in regards to driving. I've never driven an s2k but have driven an nsx.

[ZDan]

I'm no fan of the 370Z (too heavy, bulbous), and I like the FR-S/BRZ better, but

"Should a 370Z appear in the BRZ's mirror, you've every chance of keeping it there"

?
I think that would only apply if the 370z driver didn't know it was a contest...

[zygrene]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I'm no fan of the 370Z (too heavy, bulbous), and I like the FR-S/BRZ better, but ?
I think that would only apply if the 370z driver didn't know it was a contest...

On a twisty road is what the reviewer said in the article itself. And yeah, I think the 370Z looks like a fat pig, or maybe an overweight Bulbasaur. In terms of looks, it's a step down from the 350Z for me.

[(K)]

Not doubting it's validity, but this article reads like a BRZ ego-stroke. I was expecting a bit more technical and anecdotal feedback. Still a good read. My favorite part of all the reviews is when they start talking about seating position and pedal placement. Too high and it feels like you're sitting in a truck, too low and you can't see over the dash, too far back and you can't reach the pedals, too close and your up against the wheel.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by zygrene

On a twisty road is what the reviewer said in the article itself. And yeah, I think the 370Z looks like a fat pig, or maybe an overweight Bulbasaur. In terms of looks, it's a step down from the 350Z for me.

I don't even think its safe to pass a car on a twisty road. On a track is a totally different story.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

With a lower CG and wider useable power-band, I think the BRZ might edge the S2000 out. But it would be close. .

Wider usable power band? The 2.0 S2000 makes 200hp or more from 7000rpm to 9000rpm. The FR-S/BRZ makes 200hp at only 7000rpm. Less power below that, less power above.
2000 rpm range with 200+ hp vs. 1rpm peak at 200hp.

I don't know what the S2000 c.g. height is, but I doubt it's much (if any) higher.

I don't think the S2000 is not going to have any problem with the FR-S/BRZ at the track or autoX.

[ft86Fan]

Great article. Thanks.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Wider usable power band? The 2.0 S2000 makes 200hp or more from 7000rpm to 9000rpm. The FR-S/BRZ makes 200hp at only 7000rpm. Less power below that, less power above.
2000 rpm range with 200+ hp vs. 1rpm peak at 200hp.

I don't know what the S2000 c.g. height is, but I doubt it's much (if any) higher.

I don't think the S2000 is not going to have any problem with the FR-S/BRZ at the track or autoX.

I was wrong about the power band. For some reason I seem to remember the S2000 torque curve as more peaky, but looking at dynographs now it's not. Both cars have about a 2000rpm band of toque in the upper range.

I did say it would be close. And looking at the torque curves again, I think these two cars would be neck and neck.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

I was wrong about the power band. For some reason I seem to remember the S2000 torque curve as more peaky, but looking at dynographs now it's not. Both cars have about a 2000rpm band of toque in the upper range.

The difference being that the S2000 is revving higher and making significantly more POWER.

I did say it would be close. And looking at the torque curves again, I think these two cars would be neck and neck.

It won't be close. On acceleration, the S2000 has a clear power/weight advantage. Stronger acceleration everywhere.

Handling, the AP1 S2000 is about the same weight but has better weight distribution and double-wishbones all around. The AP2 has a bit more wheel width and more tire as well (but a smidge heavier).

The FR-S/BRZ are going to be comparable to the RX-8 in terms of performance. Excellent company! But slower than the S2000...

[brewksy]

Originally Posted by ZDan

The difference being that the S2000 is revving higher and making significantly more POWER.


It won't be close. On acceleration, the S2000 has a clear power/weight advantage. Stronger acceleration everywhere.

Handling, the AP1 S2000 is about the same weight but has better weight distribution and double-wishbones all around. The AP2 has a bit more wheel width and more tire as well (but a smidge heavier).

The FR-S/BRZ are going to be comparable to the RX-8 in terms of performance. Excellent company! But slower than the S2000...

This guy is right. S2K is firmly b-stock, the BRZ will be probably c-stock. And for good reason - a huge price difference on new models gave Honda a lot to work with.