Cosworth Power Package/Parts Teased

[ProjectGT86]

Originally Posted by industrial

You are so far off it's not even funny. Perhaps the head crew chief for a professional motors ports team makes that kind of money. Regular auto mechanics make £15-20k. The highest paid mechanics (elevator engineers) make £25-40k. Both professions make more in the US.

Check the UK national career service. I travel to London for work a dozen or so times a year. Most normal folks there drive tiny underpowered hatchbacks and sedans. Any kind of new sports car is pure luxury there.

I thought that 15k was apprenticeship pay? since the common route to becoming a mechanic in the UK is through apprenticeship, starting pay for a mechanic at a dealer after training school for manufacturer specific in the US (if the manufacturer requires it) is anywhere between 15-20k USD which is £8500-£12000 so those in the UK are still making more, I did look up the average wage for a tech and it's like £20-25k so you were right about that, but in USD That's $33k-$41k and average for a tech here is around the low 30k range too, so actually you're right, seems like starting pay is higher over there but average pay is about the same for both jobs, sorry I didn't do enough research before hand thank you for clearing it up for me

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by industrial

I travel to London for work a dozen or so times a year. Most normal folks there drive tiny underpowered hatchbacks and sedans. Any kind of new sports car is pure luxury there.

That's not due to cars being expensive here, the annual road tax (engine size or emissions based) and silly fuel costs is what drive most people's car choices. Plus the car scene is different here, the big American car brands have only recently started to officially import any form of muscle car and the brands themselves only share a tiny part of the UK car market. I guess that it's similar, you've grown up with muscle cars, we've grown up with hot hatchbacks and European sports cars.

[Ernie L]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

That's not due to cars being expensive here, the annual road tax (engine size or emissions based) and silly fuel costs is what drive most people's car choices. Plus the car scene is different here, the big American car brands have only recently started to officially import any form of muscle car and the brands themselves only share a tiny part of the UK car market. I guess that it's similar, you've grown up with muscle cars, we've grown up with hot hatchbacks and European sports cars.

The tax and price of fuel certainly contribute to the operational costs of automobile ownership as you stated . It would seem self evident that the cost of the auto is a factor in vehicle choice. Who is buying the FRS/BRZ at UK prices ? Do you consider the cost not a factor for a working class person ?

I still have the same question .
I realize you do not have any obligation to answer just because you are a UK resident.

Why do the same cars (auto) cost so much more in the UK than the US? An earlier poster stated it was because UK currency is worth more. That is exactly opposite of what should be the result of a strong currency relative to the imported goods origin. In other words if the UK has stronger currency relative to the USA imported goods should be cheaper for the UK than the US,not more expensive. (shrug)

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

That's not due to cars being expensive here, the annual road tax (engine size or emissions based) and silly fuel costs is what drive most people's car choices. Plus the car scene is different here, the big American car brands have only recently started to officially import any form of muscle car and the brands themselves only share a tiny part of the UK car market. I guess that it's similar, you've grown up with muscle cars, we've grown up with hot hatchbacks and European sports cars.

Your annual taxes on vehicles is no more or less than ours on average. I paid $560 in annual tax for my vehicle in the first year. Congestion taxes for London are crazy though. Fuel is about 50% more than us. VAT is a flat 20% which is crazy. Sales tax averages here are from 0-10% on the high side.

All that considered, cars still seem rather expensive over there.

[Kodename47]

Of course vehicle cost is a major player, but all things aside, it's by no means the only factor. I live in a relatively well off area and the main cars here are still hatchbacks and smaller saloons and that's because it's just the market/culture here. I think you're average Joe with a bit of money would look to buy a VW Golf/Audi A3/Mini or BMW 3/4 series/Audi A4/5 as a main car. It may even have to do with road size, a wide Muscle car (or even a Fezza etc) won't fit down our side streets well. That's not to say people don't buy nice cars, I'm only a short drive away from a Lambo/Bentley dealership that does ok for itself.


Just to show you how things stack up, I currently pay £1.40 a litre for 98/99RON, standard 95 is roughly 10-15p less. Road tax on the 86 is £220 a year, but to drive the likes of a 4-5 litre V8 will be upwards of £500 a year. Insurance isn't cheap here either, especially for younger drivers and that can price people down towards smaller cars and engines.


As to why we pay a premium, I don't know. It's just the way the economy is here in the UK. I'm not an economist so I can't comment It was quite often the way that people would import cars themselves from Japan or America as it was cheaper than buying here, but when the recession hit that was also not really of much benefit any longer, plus a VAT hike from 17.5% to 20% doesn't help. Now the £ is recovering a little then we shall see.

[Levi]

What does that have to do with Cosworth?

[eikond]

Agreed.. let's talk about the Cosworth parts and not the economy and price parity between the US and UK.. If I cared about that I would go find an economics forum and not a car forum. Besides.. you are all doing it wrong.. Retail items are priced in a silo.. they are set based on the perceived supply and demand in that unique market. You cannot expect the MSRP in the US to be the same as the value of $X number of British Pounds Sterling converted to US$ because it's not an open market economy. There are other factors to consider..
Now... can we stop talking about British incomes and prices?


Today's autoblog article says:
"The Stage 1 kit is available now for $2,799, but it only includes a cat-back exhaust. Stage 1.2 includes the overpipe and Stage 1.3 incorporates the ceramic-coated manifold."

I think we all completely agree that $2799 is nuts for only a cat-back exhaust.


But I found this article as well:
The Stage 1 Power Package will come with four items. A Cosworth premium quality free flow sports exhaust manufactured in partnership with Nameless Performance. A “Power by Cosworth” calibration kit and calibration file designed by Cosworth using the latest technology to maximize the peak performance of the stage components working together.
It also includes an exclusive Cosworth vehicle badge and a uniquely numbered Cosworth authentication plaque.
- See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/think....bKP9mpVx.dpuf

In this article it states that the stage one kit comes with 4 items:
1.) Freeflow sports exhaust by Nameless
2.) A "Power by Cosworth" calibration kit and calibration file
3.) A badge
4.) A plaque

#2 is the interesting part..
Perhaps stage 1 comes with the exhaust and the ECUTEK tuning kit and a tune. Last time I checked this kit cost nearly $900.


Can anyone confirm the actual contents of stage 1?


$2800 for an exhaust is rediculous..
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit is a little on the expensive side.
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit that can be further built upon with full warranty maybe isn't a such a bad price.


thoughts?

[kiichiro]

It's just the name

Many lesser names upgrade kits are far better

[Jive Turkey]

subaru will never cover a modified ECU under any warranty, at-least not SOA, it would have happened a long time ago with COBB, what makes cosworth any different...? i know this becaues i've spoken to subaru executives over the years and all of them say that messing with the tunes and ECU is not something they would ever allow.

[350matt]

Originally Posted by eikond

Agreed.. let's talk about the Cosworth parts and not the economy and price parity between the US and UK.. If I cared about that I would go find an economics forum and not a car forum. Besides.. you are all doing it wrong.. Retail items are priced in a silo.. they are set based on the perceived supply and demand in that unique market. You cannot expect the MSRP in the US to be the same as the value of $X number of British Pounds Sterling converted to US$ because it's not an open market economy. There are other factors to consider..
Now... can we stop talking about British incomes and prices?


Today's autoblog article says:
"The Stage 1 kit is available now for $2,799, but it only includes a cat-back exhaust. Stage 1.2 includes the overpipe and Stage 1.3 incorporates the ceramic-coated manifold."

I think we all completely agree that $2799 is nuts for only a cat-back exhaust.


But I found this article as well:
The Stage 1 Power Package will come with four items. A Cosworth premium quality free flow sports exhaust manufactured in partnership with Nameless Performance. A “Power by Cosworth” calibration kit and calibration file designed by Cosworth using the latest technology to maximize the peak performance of the stage components working together.
It also includes an exclusive Cosworth vehicle badge and a uniquely numbered Cosworth authentication plaque.
- See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/think....bKP9mpVx.dpuf

In this article it states that the stage one kit comes with 4 items:
1.) Freeflow sports exhaust by Nameless
2.) A "Power by Cosworth" calibration kit and calibration file
3.) A badge
4.) A plaque

#2 is the interesting part..
Perhaps stage 1 comes with the exhaust and the ECUTEK tuning kit and a tune. Last time I checked this kit cost nearly $900.


Can anyone confirm the actual contents of stage 1?


$2800 for an exhaust is rediculous..
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit is a little on the expensive side.
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit that can be further built upon with full warranty maybe isn't a such a bad price.


thoughts?

content is ( note UK prices)

Stage 1 - £2400 - Air Filter, Tune, ECUTek cable and Cat backExhaust with a lower temp Thermostat + fancy badges
Stage 1.2 - £3238 - Same as Above with Centre and Over Pipe.
Stage 1.3 - £4558 - Save as above with Manifolds.

[ProjectGT86]

Originally Posted by eikond

Agreed.. let's talk about the Cosworth parts and not the economy and price parity between the US and UK.. If I cared about that I would go find an economics forum and not a car forum. Besides.. you are all doing it wrong.. Retail items are priced in a silo.. they are set based on the perceived supply and demand in that unique market. You cannot expect the MSRP in the US to be the same as the value of $X number of British Pounds Sterling converted to US$ because it's not an open market economy. There are other factors to consider..
Now... can we stop talking about British incomes and prices?


Today's autoblog article says:
"The Stage 1 kit is available now for $2,799, but it only includes a cat-back exhaust. Stage 1.2 includes the overpipe and Stage 1.3 incorporates the ceramic-coated manifold."

I think we all completely agree that $2799 is nuts for only a cat-back exhaust.

T
But I found this article as well:
The Stage 1 Power Package will come with four items. A Cosworth premium quality free flow sports exhaust manufactured in partnership with Nameless Performance. A “Power by Cosworth” calibration kit and calibration file designed by Cosworth using the latest technology to maximize the peak performance of the stage components working together.
It also includes an exclusive Cosworth vehicle badge and a uniquely numbered Cosworth authentication plaque.
- See more at: http://www.torquenews.com/1084/think....bKP9mpVx.dpuf

In this article it states that the stage one kit comes with 4 items:
1.) Freeflow sports exhaust by Nameless
2.) A "Power by Cosworth" calibration kit and calibration file
3.) A badge
4.) A plaque

#2 is the interesting part..
Perhaps stage 1 comes with the exhaust and the ECUTEK tuning kit and a tune. Last time I checked this kit cost nearly $900.


Can anyone confirm the actual contents of stage 1?


$2800 for an exhaust is rediculous..
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit is a little on the expensive side.
$2800 for an exhaust and tuning kit that can be further built upon with full warranty maybe isn't a such a bad price.


thoughts?

The price of the complete kit including the ECU TEK kit and cosworth tune is £3,800 which is almost $6400.... A good turbo or supercharge costs much less than that, and the cosworth kit is only giving 30bhp, or like 20whp is that really worth it?

[eikond]

I assume you are just trying to taunt me . If so.. well-played.




Stop doing the conversion directly from UK to US.. it won't be priced that way here in the US.

[TrogDor the Burninator]

My only quibble is that the car stock is not 200HP at the wheels ... Everyone knows this ... Every dyno shows it. Saying you can get to 230HP with an exhaust and a remap using a starting point of 200HP seems like false advertising to anyone that isn't a casual observer.

[Decay107]

Question, where the fuck are all these claims that it will be covered by the factory warranty come from? It makes absolutely no sense to me that either Subaru or Toyota would cover any aftermarket components that they do not design and build in house.