A little scare I got from Toyota Canada's site.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

O RLY???


As for the rest of what you said, I'd LOVE a rear transaxle. But when people are complaining about high price and low horsepower in the thread about 7tune's interview, the last thing you should be asking for is a dual-clutch. The GTI's dual-clutch is an $1100 option, and the PDK is nearly $3500. And they're, unlike a regular 5/6MT, impossible for a normal person to work on or to beef up if you're making more-than-stock power.

The context of that was if they were only going to design and build ONE transmission for ALL drivers. Development cost and parts numbers of one twin clutch would be less than a good torque-converter auto AND a good normal manual.

Reality seems that they will be just sourcing existing auto and manual transmissions, which is more boring to talk about than fantasy transaxles.

Also my original point was kind of that Toyota Canada was promoting this thing with the auto which is counter-intuitive to people expecting this to be an enthusiast's car.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

I think they already have the enthusiast market hooked, now they need to get Susie Q in one as well, just so they can make more moeny.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The context of that was if they were only going to design and build ONE transmission for ALL drivers. Development cost and parts numbers of one twin clutch would be less than a good torque-converter auto AND a good normal manual.

Reality seems that they will be just sourcing existing auto and manual transmissions, which is more boring to talk about than fantasy transaxles.

Also my original point was kind of that Toyota Canada was promoting this thing with the auto which is counter-intuitive to people expecting this to be an enthusiast's car.

You know, the SMT on the MR-S is the same as the Manual transmission, with a hydraulic actuator and a computer system attached (in laymans terms).

Adds $780 to the price and very negligible weight. With some development for improved upshift times, launch control and a full auto mode, I think it could be perfect. They can call it SMT-II

I still would like my clutch pedal please.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

You know, the SMT on the MR-S is the same as the Manual transmission, with a hydraulic actuator and a computer system attached (in laymans terms).

Adds $780 to the price and very negligible weight. With some development for improved upshift times, launch control and a full auto mode, I think it could be perfect. They can call it SMT-II

I still would like my clutch pedal please.

I did not know that about the transmission, but I believe that is the exception to the auto-manual, not the norm?

That is one car that
a): I don't know very much about and

b the little I think I do know mystifies me (1ZZFE instead of 2ZZGE in a sportscar? Didn't understand back then, but think I do now.)

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Dimman

b the little I think I do know mystifies me (1ZZFE instead of 2ZZGE in a sportscar? Didn't understand back then, but think I do now.)

which "sports" car are you referring to that used the 1ZZ-FE? The latest gen Celica in any trim except GT-S? At the time there were pro's to both engines, but the 1ZZ was easier to modify. Why not slap a turbo on it? It was possible, unlike the 2ZZ which had a few obstacles to overcome before hand.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

which "sports" car are you referring to that used the 1ZZ-FE? The latest gen Celica in any trim except GT-S? At the time there were pro's to both engines, but the 1ZZ was easier to modify. Why not slap a turbo on it? It was possible, unlike the 2ZZ which had a few obstacles to overcome before hand.

Same one that had the auto-manual that we're talking about. The MR-S that we didn't get in Canada.

Weird how they chose the 1ZZ but also offered an auto-manual.

[Matador]

They didn't use the 2zz because of the lift characteristics. Guessing the lawyers were afraid some chick would have a cam phase over mid corner, spin out, crash into a tree backwards and sue Toyota (or their family sue Toyota in the worst of cases) ***rolls eyes***

Let it be said, the MR-S with a 2ZZ swap is a total beast. Probably would have sold enough to till be in production today (or at least it's successor) me thinks.

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

I think they already have the enthusiast market hooked, now they need to get Susie Q in one as well, just so they can make more moeny.

This. Toyota o Canada is just marketing to the high-volume sales, and the enthusiast versions should sell themselves.

Of course off-the-shelf transmissions aren't as fun to talk about, but that doesn't mean that having a widely-used transmission is a bad thing. As I said before, easier to beef up for those looking for lots of power.
Plus, if's not going to be the quickest car on the road anyway - why not have a traditional transmission and more fun?

[dilly-o]

i think it was a typo.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The MR-S that we didn't get in Canada.

That explains a lot of my limited knowledge :\
Why they don't bring certain cars to the Canadian market is beyond me, I guess we just aren't worthy?

[OldSkoolToys]

Its Toyota -CANADA-...who cares?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Let it be said, the MR-S with a 2ZZ swap is a total beast. Probably would have sold enough to till be in production today (or at least it's successor) me thinks.

^ and this.

NOT putting the 2ZZ in the MR-S was a huge mistake on Toyota's part. Look at what Spirits was able to do with their MR-S donning a 2ZZ. That thing was seriously fast and handled like it was on rails.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Its Toyota -CANADA-...who cares?

*growl*

yeah yeah. I really wish we had a better selection of automobiles.

[Abflug]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Let it be said, the MR-S with a 2ZZ swap is a total beast. Probably would have sold enough to till be in production today (or at least it's successor) me thinks.

for it it´s in Lotus...