BRZ vs 2015 WRX STI

[WolfpackS2k]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with pedestrian crash standards (thanks EU). (at least regarding how tall and chunky it is)

Just because it's required doesn't mean it's attractive though.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by thill

That combo (WRB/BBS gold rims) is only available on the launch edition that is limited to 1000 units.

Yeah, I know. But it doesn't make it any less played out, which it arguably was when the first STIs reached out shores, as it wasn't uncommon to see a WRB WRX with gold wheels (sometimes the Supperleggeras, back in 2002-2003). But to me it's too recent to bring back as a nod to the past.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I dunno how anyone could think a vehicle like that with such a blunt nose could look good. The lack of curvy flared fenders really sucks too.

BRZ wins the hell out of this comparison in the looks department, by a country mile.

I know I'm in the minority but the nose is my favorite part. It just looks angry.

[blackhawkdown]

To be honest, the new 15 STi specs look great on paper and probably is a blast to drive. I have previously owned a 2005 STi before and I can without a doubt say that the performance of an STi has never let me down before. I have owned a 2003 WRX, 2012 WRX and a 01 2.5 RS. I am currently rocking my 12 WRX. Coming from modded WRX and STi, I can without a doubt say that having a lot of power is not what it is cracked up to be. Now hear me out, having lots of power has put a smile to my face but using that power on a daily basis is quite small. As I get older now, 29, I have come to appreciate the finer balances in life.

My heart is set on buying a BRZ once I get back from Afghanistan. Appreciate the cars you have now. As much as the new technology of the STi have, I do not think that I can personally feel satisfied owning one. Just as much as I like my WRX, I am just not quite happy completely with it for some reason. It is missing that driver and car relationship. Just my .2 cents.

[chrisl]

I saw a '15 STI launch edition at the Denver Auto Show a couple weeks back, and I definitely think it looks great in person (much better than the pictures in my opinion). I also love the blue/gold color scheme. I am still sad about the lack of a hatch version though.

[jflogerzi]

I am marrying the best woman ever. I was taking my soon to be wife and she gave me the blessing if *I DID* or wanted to trade my 13 FRS for a 15 WRX. I figure the hit of trading it in would be the cost to add a quality turbo to the FRS.

[blackhawkdown]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

I am marrying the best woman ever. I was taking my soon to be wife and she gave me the blessing if *I DID* or wanted to trade my 13 FRS for a 15 WRX. I figure the hit of trading it in would be the cost to add a quality turbo to the FRS.

Please test drive one first. You may like it at first with its power but take notice in the lack of feedback the car gives you. It is lacking in that department compared to your FRS, coming from a 2012 WRX owner. However, that power always puts a smile to my face .

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Please test drive one first. You may like it at first with its power but take notice in the lack of feedback the car gives you. It is lacking in that department compared to your FRS, coming from a 2012 WRX owner. However, that power always puts a smile to my face .

Keep in mind though that the '15 WRX is a completely different car than the '12 (though I still doubt it'll give as much feedback as a BRZ).

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

During the 2011 C&D Lightning Lap, the Mustang GT and STI competed in the same class (LL2), and the STI was about 5 seconds off the time of the GT.

3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0
3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN

If the chasis/handling upgrades are as good as they claim, on a 3 minute course, it shouldn't be hard to drop 5 seconds. However, that would be with the 5.0 Mustang GT without the track-pack upgrade, which would probably drop another second or so off that Mustang's lap. Then with the 1-2 year old Boss 302's being had now in the 32k to 34k range, that's around to 3:03 mark.

At that price range mid 30k nothing really comes close to Camaro 1LE ...period

Originally Posted by chrisl

Yep - I was just referring to the standard GT with that comment. A Boss 302 is definitely a better track car, and I suspect the '15 Mustang GT will be as well.

Again even with Boss 302 package Mustang is still behind the Camaro 1LE's lap times , it's the best performance car below $55k (right below C7 Z51 Corvette and ZL1) ..if it wasn't for the lightweight I would probably be driving one I'd be surprised if new Sti can keep up with aging Evo X with its Ej series engine.. Been there done that

[blackhawkdown]

the STi and EVO are great performance cars per the $35k-40k range. It is just that there are a lot of import fanboys who just don't want to admit that domestics are just as good now. Domestics have come a long ways from the 80's, 90's and even into the 2000's. There are a lot of great domestic cars for your $ like the Mustang, Focus ST, Camaro, and others in the same price range as a FRS/BRZ and even better in the STi range.

I just think there are to many JDM fanboys here are just being bias, and this is coming from a JDM fanboy.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

Please test drive one first. You may like it at first with its power but take notice in the lack of feedback the car gives you. It is lacking in that department compared to your FRS, coming from a 2012 WRX owner. However, that power always puts a smile to my face .

Oh I know. I will once summer time hits(July time frame) You most that hit the lots, they won't let you test drive unless you are 90% wanting to buy.

[thill]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

the STi and EVO are great performance cars per the $35k-40k range. It is just that there are a lot of import fanboys who just don't want to admit that domestics are just as good now. Domestics have come a long ways from the 80's, 90's and even into the 2000's. There are a lot of great domestic cars for your $ like the Mustang, Focus ST, Camaro, and others in the same price range as a FRS/BRZ and even better in the STi range.

I just think there are to many JDM fanboys here are just being bias, and this is coming from a JDM fanboy.

If you need a useable backseat (and preferably 4 doors), it eliminates most of those options. The Focus ST backseat was really tight as well.

2015 Mustang GT w track pack should be a beast.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by glamcem

At that price range mid 30k nothing really comes close to Camaro 1LE ...period


Again even with Boss 302 package Mustang is still behind the Camaro 1LE's lap times , it's the best performance car below $55k (right below C7 Z51 Corvette and ZL1) ..if it wasn't for the lightweight I would probably be driving one I'd be surprised if new Sti can keep up with aging Evo X with its Ej series engine.. Been there done that

Best from a lap time standpoint? Sure. Most fun to drive? Definitely not. Honestly, I'd take an STi over a 1LE any day. The Camaro feels heavy and a bit non responsive to me, and it doesn't have a usable back seat, and it has huge blind spots. Admittedly, the STi isn't exactly a Lotus either, but at least it has AWD (hooray for ice racing and rallycross!) and a usable back seat. I really do want to love an American muscle car - they look and sound fantastic, and they truly are excellent cars from a pure numbers standpoint, but to me, they're just lacking some in the fun factor when you drive them. I do have some hope for the new Mustang GT though, since the 5.0 engine is wonderful.

(I also really need to drive a new Corvette...)

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Best from a lap time standpoint? Sure. Most fun to drive? Definitely not. Honestly, I'd take an STi over a 1LE any day. The Camaro feels heavy and a bit non responsive to me, and it doesn't have a usable back seat, and it has huge blind spots. Admittedly, the STi isn't exactly a Lotus either, but at least it has AWD (hooray for ice racing and rallycross!) and a usable back seat. I really do want to love an American muscle car - they look and sound fantastic, and they truly are excellent cars from a pure numbers standpoint, but to me, they're just lacking some in the fun factor when you drive them. I do have some hope for the new Mustang GT though, since the 5.0 engine is wonderful.

(I also really need to drive a new Corvette...)

I agree with this. As a DD I would take the new STI or the 1LE. Its the better all-around car.