How about a innovate thread for those who are thinking of buying one

[xwd]

I've only ridden in a car but it definitely had improved acceleration everywhere, it really does feel like driving a larger displacement car. It definitely has a bit more torque than the stock car above 2000RPM. I wouldn't really focus on the peak HP gain so much as the full powerband. A good 93 tune around here from someone like TopSpeed would probably get you 240WHP which is a good 70WHP over stock.

[regal]

Originally Posted by wtsheff

I have been viewing the various threads related to the innovate supercharger and I am still undecided what to do. I use my car for delivery in town and mainly wanted more instant acceleration from 0 to 30 mph in addition to eliminating the dreaded torque dip around 4000 RPMs.
After reading this report from Edmunds, I am discouraged even more about spending thousands of dollars for the advertised upgraded power. Somehow they were only able to gain an additional 40 hp from the aftermarket kit. I am sure the car was only running on premium instead of the E85 fuel (along with no IC), but the 0 to 30 MPH times were actually slightly higher than the OEM NA configuration. Also, I do not have a E85 station in close proximity to my house in Atlanta.
I also viewed a Innovate BRZ YouTube video where the driver pretty much corroborated the lack of improved acceleration in the sub 3500 rpm range. I am sure I would love the power in the higher RPM's, but driving around town I would rarely be able to enjoy it.
Can someone please convince me that my research is flawed and the low-end torque is substantially improved once the kit is installed properly with the addition of the intercooler.

Thanks in advance.

I came back to edit this post after reading about the new Innovate 210+ kit and 335 kit. Maybe I should just keep waiting until these new kits become available and perfected in the US.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ck-tested.html

IMHO the intercooled kit needs a bigger blower to be worth it and only for the track. The nice thing about the S1 kit is that it only adds a modertate hp but makes the torque dip disappear.


The last thing I want to do to this car is subject it to 300whp, I just don't have confidence in the rod bearings and other things.


The S1 Innovate would have been just the perfect upgrade if it weren't for all the issues. Those centri charger IMHO are for track racing, they don't boost the low end torque like a pos disp. blower. Slam me all you want but I just don't think this engine was built to rev and add a cent blower and I wouldn't be comfortable with it as a daily.


But the non intercooled innovate had appeal. Fairly simple (less to go wrong), I've had pos disp blowers last 130k miles, engine and all fine when I sold it. But I have to admit reading the other thread doesn't give one a sense that quality was top priority. Innovate of course doesn't make the blower, that's a quality piece. Its the integration, low grade bolts for example that bother me.


And I would be delighted if I never saw another post with E85 mentions. Here it is not sold, I would love to know how many owners actually live, drive their car to work every day, and can conveniently fill up with E85? 1%,10%?


I have a hunch that the intercooled version is a bit of a gimmick, doubt that the difference would be noticed daily driving unless you like jail. Seems you would really have to get on it for extended runs to make a big difference, I know look at the dynos. Dynos can be made to show about whatever you want.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Acree

How about a thread for those who are thinking about those who are thinking about buying one?

That is called the FBM Owner's thread.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by regal

IMHO the intercooled kit needs a bigger blower to be worth it and only for the track. The nice thing about the S1 kit is that it only adds a modertate hp but makes the torque dip disappear.


The last thing I want to do to this car is subject it to 300whp, I just don't have confidence in the rod bearings and other things.


The S1 Innovate would have been just the perfect upgrade if it weren't for all the issues. Those centri charger IMHO are for track racing, they don't boost the low end torque like a pos disp. blower. Slam me all you want but I just don't think this engine was built to rev and add a cent blower and I wouldn't be comfortable with it as a daily.


But the non intercooled innovate had appeal. Fairly simple (less to go wrong), I've had pos disp blowers last 130k miles, engine and all fine when I sold it. But I have to admit reading the other thread doesn't give one a sense that quality was top priority. Innovate of course doesn't make the blower, that's a quality piece. Its the integration, low grade bolts for example that bother me.


And I would be delighted if I never saw another post with E85 mentions. Here it is not sold, I would love to know how many owners actually live, drive their car to work every day, and can conveniently fill up with E85? 1%,10%?


I have a hunch that the intercooled version is a bit of a gimmick, doubt that the difference would be noticed daily driving unless you like jail. Seems you would really have to get on it for extended runs to make a big difference, I know look at the dynos. Dynos can be made to show about whatever you want.

Though it may be on e85, there is a big difference in the intercooled/non intercooled numbers on it. Not exactly sure about 93, but from what i've seen and read its a 30whp' ish difference.

I have an e85 station I pass everyday. I plan on going flex fuel, as it isn't COMPLETELY convenient, since its the only e85 station in my area. Last thing I want to do is map switch, rather just have flex fuel and can fill up with whatever I want.

The whole reason I went with the intercooled kit is for consistency. With the non-intercooled kit, on a hot day you can feel the power slowly tapering off as you run the car for a longer period of time.

I am not saying its acceptable, but I am really just shocked at the amount of people who keep mentioning the supercharger bolts.

Mine were completely fine until I removed the charger to install the intercooler. Only 2 had broke, the rest are fine, which could have been me just overtightening them. They don't have a very high tq rating.

[mikalem]

I've had the non-ic blower installed now for around a week so here's my thoughts on it - it's really all going to be in the tune, and how "happy" the car is. I have a flex fuel setup, but ran pump 93 for a few tanks just to make sure the tune was happy - I don't have the stock carb approved tune (can't speak for the videos you saw). I just started putting E85 into the car and while it seems to wake it up more, pump 93 was very good too. Attached is a compare of data from when the car was NA on E85, vs. SC Pump 93 - I wouldn't pay much attention to the actual numbers, however the conditions these two logs were in were similar - same road, same direction, same car, about the same amount of fuel, same tires, same driver, etc.

In short expect to spend a little time with the tuner, but the car is capable of what you want really - you just need to give the feedback. That being said, the tune I currently have I typically need to let it warm up before I get the solid acceleration off the line - if you try it when the engine is cold, or the AM hasn't had a chance to rise it hesitates a little (My tune defaults to .85 on startup). Once warmed up properly though I haven't had the problem.

HTH!

Originally Posted by wtsheff

I have been viewing the various threads related to the innovate supercharger and I am still undecided what to do. I use my car for delivery in town and mainly wanted more instant acceleration from 0 to 30 mph in addition to eliminating the dreaded torque dip around 4000 RPMs.
After reading this report from Edmunds, I am discouraged even more about spending thousands of dollars for the advertised upgraded power. Somehow they were only able to gain an additional 40 hp from the aftermarket kit. I am sure the car was only running on premium instead of the E85 fuel (along with no IC), but the 0 to 30 MPH times were actually slightly higher than the OEM NA configuration. Also, I do not have a E85 station in close proximity to my house in Atlanta.
I also viewed a Innovate BRZ YouTube video where the driver pretty much corroborated the lack of improved acceleration in the sub 3500 rpm range. I am sure I would love the power in the higher RPM's, but driving around town I would rarely be able to enjoy it.
Can someone please convince me that my research is flawed and the low-end torque is substantially improved once the kit is installed properly with the addition of the intercooler.

Thanks in advance.

I came back to edit this post after reading about the new Innovate 210+ kit and 335 kit. Maybe I should just keep waiting until these new kits become available and perfected in the US.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...ck-tested.html