How about a innovate thread for those who are thinking of buying one

[regal]

Since we can't post in the only innovate thread do we need a thread that warns folks of problems and praises the good qualities?

[Model Citizen]

Reading the innovate owners thread since last summer was enough reason not to go with an innovate.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

Reading the innovate owners thread since last summer was enough reason not to go with an innovate.

Please elaborate

[zoth]

I'm considering it, not really power hungry myself. One thing I really like is that it's one of the easiest SC to replace belt if ever it snaps on the road. Of course you have to have a spare with you in the car.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

Please elaborate

The tendology compilation I think got most of the issues.

Belts snapping, people resealing or replacing the plastic elbows, pulley issue, ic leaks, oil level, etc. all the kits have had their issues (other than Jackson). The innovate issues appear the most significant, vortechs big ones appear to be corrected and kW had a pile of minor growing pains

The numbers on e85 and a small pulley do look great, and the low end response Appears fantastic regardless of setup. But still too many potential complications for the lack of headroom relative to the other options.

S1 innovate has a price and instal simplicity advantage, no doubt. But once you start looking at the ic kit the price has no real advantage relative to the other kits. Without the price advantage, especially with the Rotorex kits on the market the innovate just loses the majority of its appeal.

When I was looking I could barely find a discount on a s2 innovate kit, yet the price movement on all the others gave them a lower real price than the innovate despite having a higher msrp.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by regal

Since we can't post in the only innovate thread do we need a thread that warns folks of problems and praises the good qualities?

It says you can participate in that thread if you plan to order one..
Doesn't make much sense to start another thread when so much info is already there..

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

The tendology compilation I think got most of the issues.

Belts snapping, people resealing or replacing the plastic elbows, pulley issue, ic leaks, oil level, etc. all the kits have had their issues (other than Jackson). The innovate issues appear the most significant, vortechs big ones appear to be corrected and kW had a pile of minor growing pains

The numbers on e85 and a small pulley do look great, and the low end response Appears fantastic regardless of setup. But still too many potential complications for the lack of headroom relative to the other options.

S1 innovate has a price and instal simplicity advantage, no doubt. But once you start looking at the ic kit the price has no real advantage relative to the other kits. Without the price advantage, especially with the Rotorex kits on the market the innovate just loses the majority of its appeal.

When I was looking I could barely find a discount on a s2 innovate kit, yet the price movement on all the others gave them a lower real price than the innovate despite having a higher msrp.

Good luck finding any aftermarket kit without a few issues here and there.

You obviously didn't read very well, because there are a TON of us users that are completely happy with our kit. If you can't work on your own car, or expect issues putting forced induction on a car that wasn't from the factory, don't even bother getting any kind of kit and keep your car NA and do bolt ons.

I've had a few MINOR issues. The only big one was the aftermarket map sensor causing issues with the intercooler kit. Everything else were super simple fixes. The loose fittings have been addressed by innovate btw. I had that issue and the leaking line on the intercooler kit, which they sent me replacement clamps which took me 10 minutes to swap.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Good luck finding any aftermarket kit without a few issues here and there.

You obviously didn't read very well, because there are a TON of us users that are completely happy with our kit. If you can't work on your own car, or expect issues putting forced induction on a car that wasn't from the factory, don't even bother getting any kind of kit and keep your car NA and do bolt ons.

I've had a few MINOR issues. The only big one was the aftermarket map sensor causing issues with the intercooler kit. Everything else were super simple fixes. The loose fittings have been addressed by innovate btw. I had that issue and the leaking line on the intercooler kit, which they sent me replacement clamps which took me 10 minutes to swap.

I totally understand what you're saying, but that all underscores a significant QC oversight on Innovate's part that we've seen across all areas of this kit - problems that I don't want to deal with (and you guys shouldn't have had to in the first place), even if I am capable of working on the car.

While the low-end may be superior, it just isn't making the power up top - it seems like you folks are maxing it out or can't get it to max out with IC due to that map issue? It just makes me uncomfortable enough to take it off my list until a revision or bigger blower come out.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I totally understand what you're saying, but that all underscores a significant QC oversight on Innovate's part that we've seen across all areas of this kit - problems that I don't want to deal with (and you guys shouldn't have had to in the first place), even if I am capable of working on the car.

What QC issues are you talking about? I honestly have had basically zero issues with this thing, and I was one of the first buyers in the first batch.

I had two bolts snap on me, but they sent me like 300000 new ones with the intercooler kit, so it didn't even matter. I can see that as a QC issue, but I don't know where else you are seeing issues.

Not arguing, i'm genuinely asking, haha.

[OrbitalEllipses]

The rest of the issues that you guys have seen, that were mentioned in a previous post. Sure they likely won't occur, but *shrug* who wants to deal with that? I'll leave my shit stock.

[Model Citizen]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Good luck finding any aftermarket kit without a few issues here and there.

You obviously didn't read very well, because there are a TON of us users that are completely happy with our kit. If you can't work on your own car, or expect issues putting forced induction on a car that wasn't from the factory, don't even bother getting any kind of kit and keep your car NA and do bolt ons.

I've had a few MINOR issues. The only big one was the aftermarket map sensor causing issues with the intercooler kit. Everything else were super simple fixes. The loose fittings have been addressed by innovate btw. I had that issue and the leaking line on the intercooler kit, which they sent me replacement clamps which took me 10 minutes to swap.

A) I clearly said all the kits have had their issues and growing pains

B) you obviously didn't read the owners thread very well because the innovate kit has had the most significant of the documented issues per
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=3822

C). I'm on the kW kit, my issues basically consisted of shitty instructions. I paid several hundred less than I was quoted for an equivalent innovate kit, despite the higher msrp.

I agree they all have growing pains. Vortech seems to have done the most to correct them, clearly off your response innovate is making strides, kW says they are but who knows they clearly move at their own pace, and Jackson hasn't really had any detractors other than the routing looking like doo doo. Hks and any other kit don't count. Nobody actually buys them.

If you had bothered to read rather than defending your perceived honor and purchasing decision you'd have understood that my statement was more based around the value of the innovate kit street price relative to the rest of the market after factoring the significance of issues and headroom. For awhile the innovate was my top choice, belt paranoia and pricing ended up changing the decision though.

I did not try fuck your sister. Please remove the stick from your ass before I have to make another account.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Model Citizen

A) I clearly said all the kits have had their issues and growing pains

B) you obviously didn't read the owners thread very well because the innovate kit has had the most significant of the documented issues per
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=3822

C). I'm on the kW kit, my issues basically consisted of shitty instructions. I paid several hundred less than I was quoted for an equivalent innovate kit, despite the higher msrp.

I agree they all have growing pains. Vortech seems to have done the most to correct them, clearly off your response innovate is making strides, kW says they are but who knows, and Jackson hasn't really had any detractors other than the routing looking like doo doo.

If you had bothered to read rather than defending your perceived honor and purchasing decision you'd have understood that my statement was more based around the value of the innovate kit street price relative to the rest of the market after factoring the significance of issues and headroom.

I did not try fuck your sister. Please remove the stick from your ass before I have to make another account.

Maybe you should open up your eyes, since I post almost daily in the innovate thread.

Pretty apparent now that I know you are a KW owner you are just another one on the bandwagon for their said kit. I do not deny the issues this kit has, but they are minor to me bc I know wtf I'm doing when working on a car. I have had basically no issues with this kit, all minor, which can happen on any damn kit you buy. Just so you know I really like the KW kit and if I wasn't so impatient I would have probably got that instead.

The pricing has nothing to do with this. If you think there's a better kit for the money (which you do since you did not purchase it) then go ahead. Not everyone is looking for the best hp/dollar ratio. I think this kit at the power level is great as my car is a DD. If I want to upgrade, I'll sell the damn thing and get something else.

You should look into anger management. I said nothing to warrant your 10 year old outburst.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

The pricing has nothing to do with this.

Pricing has everything to do with the FI game, IMO. However, I suggest the both of you step back and don't turn this thread into a doody pile, please.

[Calum]

Goose is the one that had most of the belt issues, wasn't he? I thought he attributes his issues to his tensioner, not the kit. If so, that's a moot point.

Replacing the fitting seems to be an issue, @xxscaxx could you elaborate on how they've taken care of this?

The allen head bolts breaking and being of subpar quality is a big issue in my mind, and I haven't heard of any fix for that.

And then there's the coolant leaks that keep croping up.

xxscaxx, if you know sepcifics about fixes for these, there's a lot of us that are still on the fense about this kit that would love to know