Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by calispec

I have been through a few tuners and tunes. I would seriously suggest @DeliciousTuning. He has a LOT of time on the tune and will continue to develop it. It is the best tune I have used this far. Save yourself money and time. He was the one who told me about the MAP issue back in September and is why I didn't waste $300 on a new one. Just my honest opinion.

Did you or him ever bring this to light? I can't recall.

Seemed like a giant surprise to me the other day when I mentioned my issues on the dyno with the intercooler kit. Then again you could be running some kind of different setup.

What I don't understand is why do these tunes need to still be updated on the regular?

I know there is always room for improvement, but I just don't understand how there can't be some kind of "final" tune. I also don't like how theres a "one size fits all" map for everyone.

I've been on a few tunes now, and I just can't take the constant back and forth of datalogging, reflashing, etc. I just want a damn one and done map, no issues.

This kit has been out for quite some time now, with plenty of tuners messing with it with COUNTLESS hours tuning. So why is there always an update? lol. Maybe i'm not looking at it correctly.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Did you or him ever bring this to light? I can't recall.

Seemed like a giant surprise to me the other day when I mentioned my issues on the dyno with the intercooler kit. Then again you could be running some kind of different setup.

What I don't understand is why do these tunes need to still be updated on the regular?

I know there is always room for improvement, but I just don't understand how there can't be some kind of "final" tune. I also don't like how theres a "one size fits all" map for everyone.

I've been on a few tunes now, and I just can't take the constant back and forth of datalogging, reflashing, etc. I just want a damn one and done map, no issues.

This kit has been out for quite some time now, with plenty of tuners messing with it with COUNTLESS hours tuning. So why is there always an update? lol. Maybe i'm not looking at it correctly.

I was either told (via email or phone?), or found it somewhere on this forum, that the stock MAP sensor should be used. I'm starting to wonder if we need a dedicated thread, which clearly outlines the known issues, problems and fixes to this kit.

I've been running @DeliciousTuning 's tune, and have been very happy with it. I get sick and tired of constant data logging as well. My only complaint with Bill, is that it takes FOREVER to get a response back. I've had tickets open for weeks, left numerous emails, left VMs, etc... I also requested the new tune (supposedly available yesterday), but haven't heard back. He's extremely busy. However, I can say my car runs silky smooth with his tune. If the tune I am running now is the last tune I receive, I'd be perfectly happy with it. It's that good.

Edit: I should mention, my gas mileage absolutely sucks. I don't drive my car enough to really care, but my MPG definitely took a hit after installing this kit and running Bill's tune. Supposedly, his 8.5 version helps with MPG.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

I was either told (via email or phone?), or found it somewhere on this forum, that the stock MAP sensor should be used. I'm starting to wonder if we need a dedicated thread, which clearly outlines the known issues, problems and fixes to this kit.

I've been running @DeliciousTuning 's tune, and have been very happy with it. I get sick and tired of constant data logging as well. My only complaint with Bill, is that it takes FOREVER to get a response back. I've had tickets open for weeks, left numerous emails, left VMs, etc... I also requested the new tune (supposedly available yesterday), but haven't heard back. He's extremely busy. However, I can say my car runs silky smooth with his tune. If the tune I am running now is the last tune I receive, I'd be perfectly happy with it. It's that good.

Edit: I should mention, my gas mileage absolutely sucks. I don't drive my car enough to really care, but my MPG definitely took a hit after installing this kit and running Bill's tune. Supposedly, his 8.5 version helps with MPG.

Yeah maybe that would help. I make sure that everytime I have some kind of issue or find something, I post in here. I have seen people using the stock map sensor but I didn't know it was for THAT specific reason. I thought it was more of the sprintex users using the supplied map sensor and it sucking, and going back to the stock map sensor. Didn't think it applied to the OMNI ones as well.

Yeah that is another thing, a lot of these guys are busy but not hearing back from them for a long while drives me nuts. I am pretty laid back as I know how it can get crazy but not hearing for weeks at a time would piss me off lol.

I saw you mention your gas mileage sucking. Hopefully that gets fixed for you on your next update. I just honestly can't justify spending another couple hundred dollars on another tune at this point. Just can't wait to get on the dyno, get it tuned, and hopefully be done with it...of course until I tinker with something else lol.

Maybe we can get the first post updated with links to specific posts of issues/whatever else that should be addressed or known to the owners of this sc.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Yeah maybe that would help. I make sure that everytime I have some kind of issue or find something, I post in here. I have seen people using the stock map sensor but I didn't know it was for THAT specific reason. I thought it was more of the sprintex users using the supplied map sensor and it sucking, and going back to the stock map sensor. Didn't think it applied to the OMNI ones as well.

Yeah that is another thing, a lot of these guys are busy but not hearing back from them for a long while drives me nuts. I am pretty laid back as I know how it can get crazy but not hearing for weeks at a time would piss me off lol.

I saw you mention your gas mileage sucking. Hopefully that gets fixed for you on your next update. I just honestly can't justify spending another couple hundred dollars on another tune at this point. Just can't wait to get on the dyno, get it tuned, and hopefully be done with it...of course until I tinker with something else lol.

Maybe we can get the first post updated with links to specific posts of issues/whatever else that should be addressed or known to the owners of this sc.

I just went to the first page, and noticed @DarrenDriven has listed some of the issues Looks like the MAP sensor issues should be added to that list.

[choi0706]

no one has spare fittings for the back of the blower? they come in packs of 5..

[DarrenDriven]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

I just went to the first page, and noticed @DarrenDriven has listed some of the issues Looks like the MAP sensor issues should be added to that list.

There is SO much info flying... and I admin several pretty in-depth topics, so if something needs to be added to page one please post specifically what it is so I can just copy and paste. Do you have a link or graphic relative to the MAP sensor issues?

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Did you or him ever bring this to light? I can't recall.

Seemed like a giant surprise to me the other day when I mentioned my issues on the dyno with the intercooler kit. Then again you could be running some kind of different setup.

What I don't understand is why do these tunes need to still be updated on the regular?

I know there is always room for improvement, but I just don't understand how there can't be some kind of "final" tune. I also don't like how theres a "one size fits all" map for everyone.

I've been on a few tunes now, and I just can't take the constant back and forth of datalogging, reflashing, etc. I just want a damn one and done map, no issues.

This kit has been out for quite some time now, with plenty of tuners messing with it with COUNTLESS hours tuning. So why is there always an update? lol. Maybe i'm not looking at it correctly.

I highly recommend OEM map sensors only. I know there are other brands out there but I prefer to not talk poorly about other brands, since they change on a regular basis, for better or worse and you can not say something bad one day and expect the same the next day. I just give my opinion on what works and what I highly suggest to use.

In regards to updates, yes I do take forever to get back to people. I am truly sorry about that and working on improving that but everything I release I try my best to make sure it is to my own personal standards on my own personal car.

Why are there constant updates, here is the reason.

1. These vehicle ECU's are highly complex and to be honest I am always learning on them. I use to be able to tune multiple makes and models of vehicles. Use too... The ECU's have now become incredibly complex and dialing in the elusive "perfect tune" is a lot more work but something I strive for.

2. EcuTek, keeps releasing more maps and updates for additional tables they have determined to do different things. So I have to go through and test them out. Some really help with small things in the tune, maybe things unseen or felt in the tune but good for the overall performance of the vehicle.

3. I listen to my customers, though I may not respond fast I do listen to what they would like to see. So I focus my time on those specific items on our development car. So the tune morphs as people's requests change and the owners change.

4. Are the tunes good to drive on now? It is just like an iPhone, we are version 5 and version 5s is coming out. There can always be improvements for various reasons and as the client base increases so does the input from customers.

Hope that answers some of those questions and basically it is just not as easy as it use to be, for a variety of reasons and because of that the industry change, whether you want to believe it or not.

Cheers,
William Knose

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

I highly recommend OEM map sensors only. I know there are other brands out there but I prefer to not talk poorly about other brands, since they change on a regular basis, for better or worse and you can not say something bad one day and expect the same the next day. I just give my opinion on what works and what I highly suggest to use.

In regards to updates, yes I do take forever to get back to people. I am truly sorry about that and working on improving that but everything I release I try my best to make sure it is to my own personal standards on my own personal car.

Why are there constant updates, here is the reason.

1. These vehicle ECU's are highly complex and to be honest I am always learning on them. I use to be able to tune multiple makes and models of vehicles. Use too... The ECU's have now become incredibly complex and dialing in the elusive "perfect tune" is a lot more work but something I strive for.

2. EcuTek, keeps releasing more maps and updates for additional tables they have determined to do different things. So I have to go through and test them out. Some really help with small things in the tune, maybe things unseen or felt in the tune but good for the overall performance of the vehicle.

3. I listen to my customers, though I may not respond fast I do listen to what they would like to see. So I focus my time on those specific items on our development car. So the tune morphs as people's requests change and the owners change.

4. Are the tunes good to drive on now? It is just like an iPhone, we are version 5 and version 5s is coming out. There can always be improvements for various reasons and as the client base increases so does the input from customers.

Hope that answers some of those questions and basically it is just not as easy as it use to be, for a variety of reasons and because of that the industry change, whether you want to believe it or not.

Cheers,
William Knose

Thanks for the response. I hope you didn't take my post personal as it was in no way directed at you. I have heard many great things about you, and about a few other tuners, and its just so hard to come to a conclusion of who to go to at the end of the day.

Your points make a lot of sense, I guess there is always room for improvement. Just hope you don't have security exploits as bad as apple seems to have at times

I actually had sent an email to you when I was having this issue with the MAP sensor and wasn't sure if it was that or not. What is the easiest way to communicate with you if I ever needed to? Figured email was best, as the forums are usually second priority.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by DarrenDriven

There is SO much info flying... and I admin several pretty in-depth topics, so if something needs to be added to page one please post specifically what it is so I can just copy and paste. Do you have a link or graphic relative to the MAP sensor issues?

@DarrenDriven -
There are quite a few posts that discuss this. Here are a few, if you want to reference them:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=3931
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=3943
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=3904

...and obviously Bill's post above ^^^

Thanks!

[DarrenDriven]

Thanks... I added all four of those links to page one for easier reference.

[xxscaxx]

Thanks @DarrenDriven. Appreciate you helping us out!

[Powersfrs]

Just bought delicious e85 tune! can't wait to install my kit n feel all that torque!!

[poorsche]

Originally Posted by calispec

I have been through a few tuners and tunes. I would seriously suggest @DeliciousTuning. He has a LOT of time on the tune and will continue to develop it. It is the best tune I have used this far. Save yourself money and time. He was the one who told me about the MAP issue back in September and is why I didn't waste $300 on a new one. Just my honest opinion.

Good knowledge to have. I guess I'm looking to do it locally because it sounds like I will have a lot better support. I prefer to drive a few minutes and resolve any issues face to face. My tuner has used brz edit with a lot of success on a few turbo 86's in town. Should be fine for me, I'm not going for the biggest numbers or anything. Just want a smooth reliable tune somewhere between 200-220 whp. For now...

[calispec]

Originally Posted by poorsche

Good knowledge to have. I guess I'm looking to do it locally because it sounds like I will have a lot better support. I prefer to drive a few minutes and resolve any issues face to face. My tuner has used brz edit with a lot of success on a few turbo 86's in town. Should be fine for me, I'm not going for the biggest numbers or anything. Just want a smooth reliable tune somewhere between 200-220 whp. For now...

You won't get that in one day on a dyno. This kit is not like a turbo. Drivability comes with a lot of time. It will surge buck and do all kinda of weird things on partial throttle. It'll feel good WOT but that's it. Take my word for it. Bills tune is the best one I have had and his even has a little surge (very small). Can't wait to get the new tune! (Not that the current one is bad. It is GREAT)