Any issues with Hoosiers on a completely stock BRZ for autocross?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by Thrustin

The OP meant autocross, just as the OP stated. We have autocross style test and tunes locally.

well, my original post did contain the word lapping

so i'll defer to my original statement, using A6s for lapping is not a good idea.

[SeanRTR]

Worst thread I've read in a very long time.

Not sure why people chime in when they have nothing useful to say, or clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

FYI, several people run A6's in road racing, and they work quite well. Is it cost effective? Not really, but what kind of racing is? R6's don't last very long as it is, you can typcially pick up .500 - 1.000/lap on A6's over R6's, depending on how long the track is, and even in a 20-30 minute race, the A6's will be faster than the R6's....the difference is you'll get maybe 3-4 races on the A's, and maybe 5-7 on R's.

To the OP:
This is all a moot point because I'd bet you four dollars that your current Hoosiers are too old to get the the most out of them, and the ZII's will be noticably faster (and much easier to drive on for a novice). Stick with your ZII's for autocross. Burn up the old Hoosiers at a track day....but beware of melting and ultra heavy mass, and lack of power and all other falsehoods that were previously mentioned.

[7thgear]

source to someone doing four, 30-minute races on A6s and finishin on podium.


maybe in very light car on a very cool day, but now we're getting into tire strategy and compromise.

[blkwrxwag]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

source to someone doing four, 30-minute races on A6s and finishin on podium.

Dude - give it up. The OP is asking about autocross. Start your own thread if you want to talk about the track.

OP - it is very likely that the tires you have bought are complete crap at this point, and they will be worse than decent street tires. If they are ok, your car will be fine and you will not die a horrible death.

[SeanRTR]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

source to someone doing four, 30-minute races on A6s and finishin on podium.

Please keep posting useless crap. It really helps out the members of this forum.

A 30 second search found this:
GT2 Runoffs championship won on Hoosier A6'....on a Corvette
http://www.scca.com/news/index.cfm?cid=51572

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by [B

SeanRTR][/B]
Please keep posting useless crap. It really helps out the members of this forum.

A 30 second search found this:
GT2 Runoffs championship won on Hoosier A6'....on a Corvette

"We chose not to switch to those, and in the scheme of things, it worked, because on a half-dry, half-wet track, which we’ve experienced before here, the A6 comes up to temperature."

so they used it on a cold day right after the rain finished.



and i see no reference to them using it for another three whole races

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by blkwrxwag

Dude - give it up. The OP is asking about autocross. Start your own thread if you want to talk about the track.

give what up, i was told i was wrong, i'm not.

[SeanRTR]

The V6 05+ Mustangs that won in T3 also ran A6's, at runoffs, in the dry.
Several people are using A6's for road racing. It doesn't have to be wet, it doesn't have to be under 60 degree's, the car doesn't have to make ridiculous torque, it doesn't need stiffer spring rates, and doesn't need to weigh less than a CRX with an anorexic broad driving.

But most importantly, it obviously doesn't take real world testing for someone to tell others on a forum what will not work, correct?

I've raced on a track that doesn't offer hardly any straightaway time for the tires too cool off, on a FWD car with soft springs, camber limited, very hard on tires...and it's fine. Nothing melted. The tires dont' even fall off late in the race any different than the R6's do. It's a softer compound that wears out quicker, but turns faster laps. Stop spreading falsehoods if you have no actual experience on the subject.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by SeanRTR

The V6 05+ Mustangs that won in T3 also ran A6's, at runoffs, in the dry.
Several people are using A6's for road racing. It doesn't have to be wet, it doesn't have to be under 60 degree's, the car doesn't have to make ridiculous torque, it doesn't need stiffer spring rates, and doesn't need to weigh less than a CRX with an anorexic broad driving.

But most importantly, it obviously doesn't take real world testing for someone to tell others on a forum what will not work, correct?

I've raced on a track that doesn't offer hardly any straightaway time for the tires too cool off, on a FWD car with soft springs, camber limited, very hard on tires...and it's fine. Nothing melted. The tires dont' even fall off late in the race any different than the R6's do. It's a softer compound that wears out quicker, but turns faster laps. Stop spreading falsehoods if you have no actual experience on the subject.

what falsehoods

an A6 by design is different than R6

if you chose to abuse it on the track for a speed boost that's your call.

i've posed a question on my regional race boards, if they come back telling me an A6 is good for 4 races, i'll come back here and apologize.

k?

[SeanRTR]

I've run the tires on the track. I already know they work. They've won at the SCCA Runoffs, why would we care what the local Canadian time trial guys are using?

I think I may know what is causing this confusion.....Canadian tires are slightly different:

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[7thgear]

not time trial guys

road racing guys, GT sprints, door-to-door, etc.

but i suppose yes, canadians can't do anything right :/

[Sccabrz192]

You should just stop. You are arguing with 3 or 4 people on here with first hand personal experiences with running these tires in different scenarios by using a bunch of internet hearsay with no experience whatsoever. I have no need to post anything further in an effort to discredit your comments, the more you post, the more you do it for me.

[7thgear]

First hand experience with what? Running 4, 30 minute club races on A6s? Where?


I know guys that lap, i don't know anyone that used A6s for lapping, unless maybe they just wanted to kill them off.

and those that wanted to be faster than R6s tended to go on to V710s rather than A6s (and babied them). Those who just focused on general lapping would stick to RA1 and the like for longevity.

MY point is, is that lapping on A6s is silly, you can do it, sure, but as you said it yourself, they'll get hot quicker, and fall off quicker, and their lifespan will be deminished. Unless all of that is untrue, then i see no reason why my statements are falsehoods.

because if they were, then there wouldn't be a market for the R6 to begin with.

you're all basicly refuting my claims that A6 is bad for lapping, so the inverse of that is that it is good for lapping, is that what you are claiming, that A6s are a good use for casual lapping?

[Thrustin]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

well, my original post did contain the word lapping

so i'll defer to my original statement, using A6s for lapping is not a good idea.

They're probably not very good fishing bait either. I'm surprised nobody chimed in to inform us all of that fact as well.