Poor Sales of Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S Likely To Rule Out New Variants

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Toyota met its goals for North America at least.

Sales of the FR-S last year were 20,152 units. 18,327 from the US and 1,825 units from Canada.

Scion Expects Up to 20,000 FR-S Sales Annually

http://wardsauto.com/sales-amp-marke...sales-annually

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/05...s-figures.html

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Which basically puts to bed the rumors that this is a poor selling car by those who are in the North American market.

I guess global sales are down because of the European market's unique difficulties for non-European vehicles due to import duties, outrageous fuel taxation, etc. Basically it's cheaper to buy a used Porsche than a new GT86 there, and that creates competition that the 86 was not designed to compete with.

The rest of the world, I think, is seeing better sales.

Remember, the European market is so hard that the Impreza line is being discontinued there.

So, I'd expect that we could even at the 86 discontinued in Europe while the rest of the world will still be able to buy new models. Not sure if that'd happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

i was told they made the hood/front end higher because of some law in the UK.

it they are gonna kill it off for Europe than Toyota should have just design the car with the American market in mind.

i say F Europe, they always get the good sh*t anyways.

[SirBrass]

There's more to the global market than just Europe and North America. There's also Asia, which is probably selling well, too (I hope).

Though I bet they could get a leg up in Europe if they did a 2.0L FD20 (FA20 diesel) turbo with similar power numbers but increased fuel economy.

Seems that when North America won't get the diesel version of some Asian car, Europe does get it. With their fuel prices, a diesel 86 would be competitive in the market its intended to be in, not with much more powerful, better handling German sports cars.

[djmm]

Writing from Australia here. Funny we had this topic in one of the Aus forums and they were saying this car is actually not selling well in US due to how cheap cars in US and there are just so many alternatives for nice cars at (or close to) FRS price range.

It does very well here because for once it's not ridiculously overpriced like the rest of the cars here. Base variant starts from Aud 30,000 drive away here.

I paid AU $41,500 for GTS (equals to monogram there?) But honestly if I have this money to spend in US I would have lots of cars to consider.

But I still think they should just market the car as Toyota in US, not Scion. Don't know why they did that. 86 is a well known line and supposedly to be the successor of AE86, why changed it to Scion FRS.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by djmm

Writing from Australia here. Funny we had this topic in one of the Aus forums and they were saying this car is actually not selling well in US due to how cheap cars in US and there are just so many alternatives for nice cars at (or close to) FRS price range.

It does very well here because for once it's not ridiculously overpriced like the rest of the cars here. Base variant starts from Aud 30,000 drive away here.

I paid AU $41,500 for GTS (equals to monogram there?) But honestly if I have this money to spend in US I would have lots of cars to consider.

But I still think they should just market the car as Toyota in US, not Scion. Don't know why they did that. 86 is a well known line and supposedly to be the successor of AE86, why changed it to Scion FRS.

according to post #278 the FRS is doing really well in the US

[jcblown13]

Calm down folks. Toyota (Subaru) isn't going to stop making this car for some time. I still see people turn and look, and look again. They never made a 4-door Camaro and Toyota was just teasing. Nobody wants a 4-door FR-S. Convertible? Well maybe.


If any of you noticed that FT-1 concept - the roofline in particular - I say Supra. And that inline 6 will fit nicely. I can't wait.


FR-S is here to stay.

[fa5tco]

This doesnt sound right....Nissan moved pretty quickly to get the IDX concept out after seeing how many of the frs/brz sold the first year. 40k units for a sports coupe in one year us pretty impressive.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by asnoir

Hello ! I'm in France in European Union and here the Gt86 cost 35700 US dollar. You must add 4947 US dollar to drive in France. It's a Green Tax!!!! Then the car cost 40700 US dollar!!!!
Toyota have made error with this car! Every month since the release of the car. Rumors from Toyota, journalist... have sayed that the next 86 could be with a KERS engine, a 2.5l engine, with new intake and exhaust to reach 250 ps. And more... Cabriolet, Sedan.
After that here in Europe we wait for the new version.

2.0 to 2.5L FI with a KERS motor...that might be the Supra that will pry the 86 out of my garage if everything goes well.

[rice_classic]

Maybe they consider fleet sales? It seems to be working for the Mustang and the Camaro.

Maybe Toyota should hire Michael Bay to make another product placement movie with their cars.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by JDMenrique

Yea, this article just lost its credibility for me. I haven't read through all these pages but the convertible was never "hyped" and has been shot down by Toyota over and over again.

It was pretty hyped by Jalopnik and similar websites, and Toyota said they would like to build one. Subaru said it would take too many resources to make the changes needed, so Toyota has been looking into doing it on their own. That was the last word about it that I saw.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by djmm

Writing from Australia here. Funny we had this topic in one of the Aus forums and they were saying this car is actually not selling well in US due to how cheap cars in US and there are just so many alternatives for nice cars at (or close to) FRS price range.

It does very well here because for once it's not ridiculously overpriced like the rest of the cars here. Base variant starts from Aud 30,000 drive away here.

I paid AU $41,500 for GTS (equals to monogram there?) But honestly if I have this money to spend in US I would have lots of cars to consider.

But I still think they should just market the car as Toyota in US, not Scion. Don't know why they did that. 86 is a well known line and supposedly to be the successor of AE86, why changed it to Scion FRS.

The FRS is meeting all sales goals for the US market. And I don't know what you mean by cars being cheap here. Good cars aren't. Econoboxes, sure. But those are for people who need a tool to transport, not a car to drive. There's NO rwd sports car anywhere near the 86's price range here in the US. Closest thing is the Z series & those just START in the mid 30s, just like the STI. For under $30k, there's no longer any selection but the BRZ/FR-S.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[Rakshaa]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

The FRS is meeting all sales goals for the US market. And I don't know what you mean by cars being cheap here. Good cars aren't. Econoboxes, sure. But those are for people who need a tool to transport, not a car to drive. There's NO rwd sports car anywhere near the 86's price range here in the US. Closest thing is the Z series & those just START in the mid 30s, just like the STI. For under $30k, there's no longer any selection but the BRZ/FR-S.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

What about the Genesis coupe, Mustang or Camaro? All of this are priced similarity or lower than the twins for base models. At least in Canada they are...

[djmm]

I think z4 is pretty close... well at least much closer than the gap here.
In Australia, cheapest Z4 is around US$79,000. Which is completely ridiculous. They can charge this much because people still buy it, really.

Or did you mean Nissan Z? If so, I think Nissan Z is like 15k or 20k more expensive here if I remember correctly.

I'm also not saying that 86 is a flop in US as I also don't know where that article get their info from....

Originally Posted by SirBrass

The FRS is meeting all sales goals for the US market. And I don't know what you mean by cars being cheap here. Good cars aren't. Econoboxes, sure. But those are for people who need a tool to transport, not a car to drive. There's NO rwd sports car anywhere near the 86's price range here in the US. Closest thing is the Z series & those just START in the mid 30s, just like the STI. For under $30k, there's no longer any selection but the BRZ/FR-S.

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[regal]

Wishful thinking but I think if they changed the FA20 so it doesn't try to meet all those stupid euro regs we could have a 250 hp 2L for the USA and Asia.




The thought of a diesel GT-86 is funny to me, would rev like shit but would cruise around with high low end torque and still have some punch when you need it. That would be one odd-ball car. Europeans might like it.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by regal

Wishful thinking but I think if they changed the FA20 so it doesn't try to meet all those stupid euro regs we could have a 250 hp 2L for the USA and Asia.

I would love to know how you would get 250 hp out of a 2 liter engine reliably without FI, unless that's what you meant.