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SeanBlader · 03-01-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SirBrass

Consider that camrys and accords most likely (I haven't looked up the figures) weigh MORE and come with engines whose bhp output is significantly lower than 200 bhp.

If folks are getting easilly passed by the gas-sipping grocery getters on the freeway and getting pissed over it, then the fault is the with the driver for just mashing the throttle in 6th instead of following the proper steps for correct freeway chastisement of the offending sinner...

And this. If you're just mashing it in 5th or 6th and hoping it will accelerate, you obviously should just get out of fun cars and go back to your massive turbo sedan's.

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Originally Posted by SirBrass

Now, against a pretentious v6 Mustang d*bag? Yeah, ain't happening stock. But that's his problem for having so small a manhood that he thinks that he has to fly by a car that was designed to run with much lower HP than his straight-line-only machine.

I find this a little discouraging, I used to romp on v6 Mustangs on the freeway in my Celica GTS with 20 less HP than the twins. I even had one flip me off once and all I had on it was an exhaust. But you're saying with the 86, we can't take on heavy-ass v6 Mustangs anywhere but the hills?

strat61caster · 03-01-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanBlader

But you're saying with the 86, we can't take on heavy-ass v6 Mustangs anywhere but the hills?

Not even the hills if the driver is equal. The Toyobaru loses in pure speed stock for stock to the V6 Mustang in every comparison I've seen.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/

Andrew025 · 03-01-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanBlader

And this. If you're just mashing it in 5th or 6th and hoping it will accelerate, you obviously should just get out of fun cars and go back to your massive turbo sedan's.

I find this a little discouraging, I used to romp on v6 Mustangs on the freeway in my Celica GTS with 20 less HP than the twins. I even had one flip me off once and all I had on it was an exhaust. But you're saying with the 86, we can't take on heavy-ass v6 Mustangs anywhere but the hills?

Depends on which v6 mustangs you're talking about.
Newest model? No way
Previous model with 210 hp v6? Yes

Drift&Drag · 03-01-2014, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by s0sl0w

Count me as very happy BRZ owner.

You either get this car or you don't and if you don't then just move on because honestly, I'm too busy enjoying it to hear the BS.

x2

bobaab · 03-01-2014, 01:52 PM

I wholeheartedly understand Toyota's point of view. I worked for a large Japanese company that operates the same way.

The people making these kinds of decision are looking at past sales and devaluing any changes they might make in the future. It's just what a financially conscious company does.

Passion is just not there any more. A car is a transportation device in the end, and that's what makes money. It's really too bad.

jkonquer · 03-01-2014, 01:54 PM

All i really want is 8k rpm redline. I don't care if it had 100 or 500hp.

Stigmaru · 03-01-2014, 02:54 PM

Toyota's biggest mistake was putting a Scion badge on this car. Second mistake was expecting a larger sell rate than they are getting when they sacrificed to take a hit to sales in order to revitalize Scion.

What demographic can pay 25k for a scion? Certainly not the highschool and poor college kids... The well off kids with Daddy's money would buy a $$$ car not a Scion. Who actually buys this car??? Ppl with a full time job and dads who want to relive their rubber burning days

jkonquer · 03-01-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Toyota's biggest mistake was putting a Scion badge on this car. Second mistake was expecting a larger sell rate than they are getting when they sacrificed to take a hit to sales in order to revitalize Scion.

What demographic can pay 25k for a scion? Certainly not the highschool and poor college kids... The well off kids with Daddy's money would buy a $$$ car not a Scion. Who actually buys this car??? Ppl with a full time job and dads who want to relive their rubber burning days

yup and they won't buy it since its a Scion.

krayzie · 03-01-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jkonquer

All i really want is 8k rpm redline. I don't care if it had 100 or 500hp.

A Subaru Vivio RX-R has 9000rpm redline

fatoni · 03-01-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jkonquer

All i really want is 8k rpm redline. I don't care if it had 100 or 500hp.

haha why? just print some numbered stickers and stick them on your tach. boom, done.

s0sl0w · 03-01-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Toyota's biggest mistake was putting a Scion badge on this car. Second mistake was expecting a larger sell rate than they are getting when they sacrificed to take a hit to sales in order to revitalize Scion.

What demographic can pay 25k for a scion? Certainly not the highschool and poor college kids... The well off kids with Daddy's money would buy a $$$ car not a Scion. Who actually buys this car??? Ppl with a full time job and dads who want to relive their rubber burning days

I'm a college kid, living on my own with G/F and child with another on the way and I drive this car.

No wait, I drive a Subaru, because even I won't buy a Scion.

rick s · 03-01-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanBlader

As much as most of us on this forum hate the Scion xB, and the Honda Element, there are some who see cars as tools with no need for entertainment in their driving. They see it as a purely practical device to carry themselves, their friends, and their crap from one place to another.

The bad part is that you can do all of that with a much more fun to drive car, and I've seen the conversion happen. Dude I used to know had an Acura TL and he thought heated leather seats were as good as it got until he rode in my MR2. Now he drives a Miata, and loves every opportunity to do the spirited mountain drive.

People who have an xB just don't know what driving can be, which is probably better for us, otherwise there'd be a lot more cars on the road, and a lot more crashes in the hills from people over driving their cars.

They are entitled to their choice! The point that was being made was that a previous poster had said that Scion was targeting young people. My observation was the this particular van IMO had no young person appeal!
There will always be those that think a car is simply a tool to get from A to B, I see hundreds of them everyday on my commuter, but this becomes slightly off topic so I will leave it there.

lsxiong · 03-02-2014, 05:14 PM

If Toyota was smart about it in the beginning, they should've built the current version they have now and built a more powerful version for the "others".

Just like having Supra NAs and Supra Turbos.
Celica NAs and Celica All-Tracs
Regular Celicas and Celica GT-S with VVTL-i
MR2 NAs and MR2 Turbos

Darkone · 03-02-2014, 06:49 PM

I have not bought a BRZ yet. However, I am contemplating buying one very soon. I used to own a SRT4 which did the quarter in around 14 seconds stock and it was fast enough. If we are going what 14.9 we throw a turbo on it for 5k I am guessing we would all be around 14 seconds quarter mile right? That's friggin fast enough for a car that looks this good and this fun to drive...is my calculation off?

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jkonquer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2005 Subaru STI Location: Socal Posts: 418 Thanks: 4 Thanked 73 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	All i really want is 8k rpm redline. I don't care if it had 100 or 500hp. __________________

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Stigmaru Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2022 Halo White GR86 Location: United States Posts: 213 Thanks: 21 Thanked 53 Times in 23 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota's biggest mistake was putting a Scion badge on this car. Second mistake was expecting a larger sell rate than they are getting when they sacrificed to take a hit to sales in order to revitalize Scion. What demographic can pay 25k for a scion? Certainly not the highschool and poor college kids... The well off kids with Daddy's money would buy a $$$ car not a Scion. Who actually buys this car??? Ppl with a full time job and dads who want to relive their rubber burning days Last edited by Stigmaru; 03-01-2014 at 03:18 PM.

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bobaab Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: 13 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Chicago Posts: 74 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wholeheartedly understand Toyota's point of view. I worked for a large Japanese company that operates the same way. The people making these kinds of decision are looking at past sales and devaluing any changes they might make in the future. It's just what a financially conscious company does. Passion is just not there any more. A car is a transportation device in the end, and that's what makes money. It's really too bad.

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Darkone Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: BRZ Location: Houston Posts: 30 Thanks: 4 Thanked 28 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have not bought a BRZ yet. However, I am contemplating buying one very soon. I used to own a SRT4 which did the quarter in around 14 seconds stock and it was fast enough. If we are going what 14.9 we throw a turbo on it for 5k I am guessing we would all be around 14 seconds quarter mile right? That's friggin fast enough for a car that looks this good and this fun to drive...is my calculation off?

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