Is the BRZ doomed?!?!

[a2cpc]

Cocoa Beach Bum posted this article from Australia...

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...809-2rleu.html


"Tada confirmed to Drive he is already developing the concept for a successor, and hinted that it could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether - which raises questions about Subaru's involvement and whether there will be follow-up to the sister BRZ."

Uh oh... Could the BRZ be another footnote in Subaru's history, like the Brat, XT, SVX and Baja?

A 2.5 NA engine producing 250hp could be interesting though.

[Wilsonk227]

maybe subaru will have it's own engine in the BRZ and Toyota has their own in the GT-86. That would be interesting to see

[ayau]

That's going to be a lot of wasted R&D for Subaru if they don't have plans to continue selling the BRZ. My guess is that you'll start seeing the 86/FRS and BRZ begin to take their own route, but I think not even Subaru/Toyota knows at this point. I think it will depend on sales. Look at the S2000. The car was practically the same for 10 years.

[thill]

Originally Posted by a2cpc

Cocoa Beach Bum posted this article from Australia...

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...809-2rleu.html


"Tada confirmed to Drive he is already developing the concept for a successor, and hinted that it could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether - which raises questions about Subaru's involvement and whether there will be follow-up to the sister BRZ."

Uh oh... Could the BRZ be another footnote in Subaru's history, like the Brat, XT, SVX and Baja?

A 2.5 NA engine producing 250hp could be interesting though.

Anything is possible. But we are not talking about 2-3 years from now. We are talking a good 5+ years from now. If Subaru feels that offering a 2 door RWD sports car is part of their plans and it is selling well and attracting buyers to the showroom floors, we will most likely see the BRZ live on, regardless of what Toyota decides.

[thill]

Originally Posted by ayau

That's going to be a lot of wasted R&D for Subaru if they don't have plans to continue selling the BRZ. My guess is that you'll start seeing the 86/FRS and BRZ begin to take their own route, but I think not even Subaru/Toyota knows at this point. I think it will depend on sales. Look at the S2000. The car was practically the same for 10 years.

Right and the RX-8 was an 8 year platform. I could see the BRZ being an 8-10 year platform with a major refresh somewhere around year 4.

Sales will ultimately determine it's fate. There is going to be lots of competition in the 2 door RWD space in the immediate future with lots of major refreshes/reboots from the likes of Ford, Chevy, Nissan, Hyundai, Mazda etc.

[leon78]

OMFG....enough already....I'll give some form of fucks when I see shit on show room floors.... /rant that also applies to every other thread like this…sry OP….now that’s off my chest.

[MightyMeeple]

Originally Posted by Marchy

i'd be ok having a unique car that was made in only 2 years.

This^

But honestly, I won't be surprised if the BRZ goes away after 6-8 years.

I do hope that Toyota uses this momentum to build a successor that comes to the US market and badge it as a Celica or Supra, as long as they keep the rear wheel drive.

[Wilsonk227]

Originally Posted by leon78

OMFG....enough already....I'll give some form of fucks when I see shit on show room floors.... /rant that also applies to every other thread like this…sry OP….now that’s off my chest.

damn dude, calm the tits. Don't read it if you don't like it lol simple as that. No harm in having multiple posts, some people just haven't even seen it lol :happy0180:

[a2cpc]

R&D was mostly paid for by Toyota from what has been said. The Brat, Baja, VT, and SVX managed a 6 year run average on our shores, with the Baja only lasting 3 or 4. Not saying Subaru would pull out if Toyota went away, but I don't see Subaru selling over 10k BRZs/year. And that might not pay for its existence. Especially if Toyota puts 2 or 3 sportscars on the market at the same time, which is also rumored. A 250hp model might help in its survival.

I hate to say it, but maybe the BRZ was just a "bridge" car for Subaru until the next gen WRX can get on its feet.

[a2cpc]

Originally Posted by leon78

OMFG....enough already....I'll give some form of fucks when I see shit on show room floors.... /rant that also applies to every other thread like this…sry OP….now that’s off my chest.

Nothing to be sorry about. Saw the story and thought I would put it out there. It is interesting though.

[KelvinBRZ]

This IS a Subaru motor after all with slight tweaks from Toyota in DI & NA. If anything Subaru has the upper hand in improving the twins just because mechanically, the car was designed by Subaru. Toyota did the exterior styling, so if the partnership were to end, the BRZs would get more uglier and the Scions/Toyotas would lose the boxer engine and therefore the low center of gravity. IMO it hurts Toyota more than Subaru if they were to split.

[Chee-Hu]

They should just end production of the BRZ now!

[meeskee2]

Whatever, I have a BRZ right now and I love it.

[thill]

Originally Posted by a2cpc

R&D was mostly paid for by Toyota from what has been said. The Brat, Baja, VT, and SVX managed a 6 year run average on our shores, with the Baja only lasting 3 or 4. Not saying Subaru would pull out if Toyota went away, but I don't see Subaru selling over 10k BRZs/year. And that might not pay for its existence. Especially if Toyota puts 2 or 3 sportscars on the market at the same time, which is also rumored. A 250hp model might help in its survival.

I hate to say it, but maybe the BRZ was just a "bridge" car for Subaru until the next gen WRX can get on its feet.

I don't see this car as a bridge car at all to a WRX. I was not shopping for a WRX at all because I wanted a true RWD 2 door sports car. Not a heavier four door AWD car. The next FT86 is not 2-3 years away. It is most likely at least 5+ years away.

Toyota has talked about having three sports car on the market. Entry level RWD car in the $20-25K range, the FT86 platform around $25-30K, and a Supra which will be most likely in the $40K start range.