BRZedit and boost. (also wondering BRZedit vs ECUtek with boost)

[nelsmar]

@evan you had a bad experience with vendors that e tuned. Not ecutek it's self. I've played with brz edit and I have hundreds of hours in exutek and quite a long time in rom raider. I like brzedit a log viewer quite a bit but that's pretty much where the list ends. Ecutek responds to my emails typically in 10-20 minutes.

You should be posting your view on tuners not tools. This confuses end users. You can now buy ecutek and go to any local tuner and have your car tuned using your own license.

[evan]

@nelsmar While I understand your thoughts on the matter, my point remains. I don't see any reason (especially in my supercharged application) why Ecutek is better than BRZedit from a core tuning perspective (the extra features are just bonuses IMO). I have owned Ecutek twice now and spent far too much money on it and tunes. I now own BRZedit. I'm dyno tuned on BRZedit and my car is making great power and running well. It wouldn't make any financial sense to dump BRZedit and go back to Ecutek. When I make the jump to the next level (more power, more complexity), I will be looking at Motec.

Eat your vegetables..

[nelsmar]

You are going at this all wrong. You dumped your tuner. You should go with your tuners preference period. And I my self was going to buy a motec and had quite a few extensive conversations with them, however once ecutek release public tuning with custom maps even though it was a flash based system (which I hate) I dropped my motec plans as motec couldn't do some of the stuff I wanted to do in ecutek.

[evan]

Whether I am or not, it doesn't matter anymore. Like I previously stated, I'm happy with BRZedit and my tuner. My tuner is happy with BRZedit. We'll all have our preferences. Have a great day guys!!

Eat your vegetables..

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by evan

Whether I am or not, it doesn't matter anymore. Like I previously stated, I'm happy with BRZedit and my tuner. My tuner is happy with BRZedit. We'll all have our preferences. Have a great day guys!!

Eat your vegetables..

This is a much better comment! :P Its a shame that so many e-tuners have really just destroyed the image of ecutek as a tuning tool.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by evan

I'm not a tuner @jamesm and I never will be. I don't care much for the minutia between the tools. I care about the end result and the experience with my tuner. The end result and tuner experience works for me. Happy customer. Nothing more to see here..

I have this discussion all the time with people in my business. They don't care about the technicals. They have their own focus areas. I can respect that. We can't all know everything about everything all of the time. We then rely on each other to get us through life, regardless of the task at hand.

Eat your vegetables..

that's fine, but you're not really commenting on the tool then. you're commenting on your experience with a person who used it. that's just important to make clear.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by vgi

well, from the posts it seems the OP himself is not a tuner and didn't ask that question trying to figure out what software he himself would be using. it looks like he's having issues with tuner(s) who is/are unable to provide him a decent tune.



based on this ^^^ and I would advise, just like others have mentioned it a bunch of times before, to find a decent local tuner and then go with what ever software that tuner is comfortable with.

I've been using this tuner since 2010 and they prefer BRZedit. Just like i've said above. But might be making the switch to ECUtek if they cannot deliver.

My real question is what makes ECUtek so much better the BRZedit when it comes to tuning boosted cars. I keep see "lightyears away" but no explanation.

[evan]

Mac or PC? Lol

Eat your vegetables..

[evan]

Originally Posted by vgi

linux. better yet - free/open bsd

I'm a Windows and Linux guy. I hate Apple and OSX with passion. By preference of course..

Eat your vegetables..

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by vgi

i think @jamesm covered it in every post he's made about ecutek vs ... basically it's custom maps. i'd say they should pay him money for promoting ecutek

Exactly this. Power and flexibility, provided in large part by custom maps. Having real, responsive support is another big thing.

And no one has to pay me anything. I use it because it's flat-out better. I was hugely anti-ecutek until I realized just how much better it was when they opened it up to the masses. I'm an open source guy too (I contribute to open source software every single day), but when something makes your life easier and allows you to do a better job, you don't let ideology get in the way. Same reason i use a mac even though you'd probably think I was a linux guy lol.

[nelsmar]

I can vouch for jamesm the entire reason I met him was due to me attempting to contribute to the open source Ecu platform. I was working on a hardware datalogger and had hoped he could lend me a hand. We ended up talking often since then and I kept ending him to ecutek and he was pro open source like me for a number of reasons. He is saying te exact reasons I was considering ecutek my self. It's funny seeing it from this side of the fence. Because every reason he gives I was ficiing him 3 months ago. He used every defense and then some above what others have aid as he is an active developer such as my self and is strong towards the "if it doesn't exist and I have the source I will do it my self" attitude. I know he is starting to sound sales man like but it's for a legitimate reason. I have used ios source and free based Ecu platforms dating back roughly ten years. In this time I have learned that support and specific desired feature sets are worth their weight ten times in gold. He even fought me on my defense line of support. But here he is preaching what I was preaching. When it comes to tuning go with what your tuner wants. In my case and James for our own vehicles we have used each available flash based platform and ecutek blows everything out of the water. The custom map ability to control cam phasing and ignition tables on the dyno alone safe the money it cost me to purchase ecutek when tuning. And this is coming from someone that was about to pull the trigger on a motec Ecu with a "money isn't a problem" attitude. I have learned my lesson over the years and that lesson was nothing is worth more to me than tuning platform. And although I hate a lot of exutek, not even motec could support features I wanted that I can makes self in custom maps in ecutek.

Now if only we had spare pics we could solder into the Ecu for extra input and output!!!

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by vgi

it's not just ideology. i don't buy mac not because they used mach kernel and bsd and put a pretty gui on top - that'd be ideology. i'm not buying it because it's overpriced and because of their business model where every software piece has to go through apple and their store. this limits numbers of software apps and raises prices on the ones available.

that's not true at all fwiw. You can still install regular apps just like you could before. Nothing at all has changed in that regard. It works exactly like it used to, only now you can use the store if you want and get it all in one spot, auto updates, etc. it's a package manager with a paid option lol.

Personally as a developer I love it, it gives me the opportunity to put product in front of a large audience with no up-front cost and is cheaper than any other method of reaching the same number of eyeballs.

If anything it has driven the price of software down. That's the argument you hear against it in the development world, that it creates a race to the bottom and floods the market. Pretty much exactly the opposite of your argument.

Android has an App Store. Ubuntu has an App Store. Both are functionally identical to apples. It's fine to dislike apple, but at least come up with a valid reason (which I agree there are plenty of lol).

At the end of the day using a mac, just like using ecutek, makes what I do easier and allows me to be more productive. That's all that matters to me.

[DriftHappens]

The iOS on phones doesn't allow "sideloading" of apps. (well, it does, but its fairly complicated(jailbreak+), much moreso than rooting an android and clicking a check box to allow install from unknown sources).

[evan]

Things have changed quite a bit since mid last year:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1016142

Eat your vegetables..