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djohnson · 06-05-2010, 08:23 PM

The only "major design change" I would not have a problem with is switching to a MR layout from FR. Would definately make for an interesting drive, though it would mean the end of the rear seats. A problem for some, a blessing for others. Are there currently any MR cars with a flat/boxer layout?

MtnDrvr86 · 06-05-2010, 08:30 PM

^ caymen

ichitaka05 · 06-05-2010, 08:58 PM

Cayman is technically Rear Mid engine and not Mid engine
Carrera GT... oh wait, that's v10. Nevermind

djohnson · 06-05-2010, 09:10 PM

Looking around it seems the only car to use a flat layout with midship mounting is the Porsche Boxster/986/987. But it is a flat 6 and considerably more expensive than the 86 is projected to be.

Matador · 06-06-2010, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Cayman is technically Rear Mid engine and not Mid engine
Carrera GT... oh wait, that's v10. Nevermind

technically it's just rear engined.....

ichitaka05 · 06-06-2010, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

technically it's just rear engined.....

No, it's rear-mid engine. Engine does not sit behind the wheel, but actually front of the wheels. Here's the blueprint of '06 Cayman S (987)

As you can see, it's pretty much mid engine... but Porsche engineers are calling it rear-mid engine. Those weird Germans. lol

Calais · 06-06-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

No, it's rear-mid engine. Engine does not sit behind the wheel, but actually front of the wheels. Here's the blueprint of '06 Cayman S (987)

As you can see, it's pretty much mid engine... but Porsche engineers are calling it rear-mid engine. Those weird Germans. lol

They call it that because they have stayed with a rear engine in the 911 and then pulled the cayman out of nowhere and it is very competitive with the 911 if only the engineers were given free reign i wonder how much better it would be

ichitaka05 · 06-06-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Calais

They call it that because they have stayed with a rear engine in the 911 and then pulled the cayman out of nowhere and it is very competitive with the 911 if only the engineers were given free reign i wonder how much better it would be

Only thing I know is, I don't ever wanna work/fix 911 or cayman, never ever. Looking at the blueprints already giving me a headache.

NESW20 · 06-06-2010, 01:01 PM

just call it mid engine. there's no such thing as "front mid engine," no matter what the fanboys say. mid engine = engine behind the driver and in front of the rear axle. front engine = engine anywhere in front of the driver. /discussion

-Mike

chulooz · 06-06-2010, 01:53 PM

I would not agree, the engines placement in relation to the axels is the best way of describing a particular layout.

Matador · 06-06-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

just call it mid engine. there's no such thing as "front mid engine," no matter what the fanboys say. mid engine = engine behind the driver and in front of the rear axle. front engine = engine anywhere in front of the driver. /discussion

-Mike

Mid engine is anywhere between the front and rear axles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

No, it's rear-mid engine. Engine does not sit behind the wheel, but actually front of the wheels. Here's the blueprint of '06 Cayman S (987)

As you can see, it's pretty much mid engine... but Porsche engineers are calling it rear-mid engine. Those weird Germans. lol

Ach, my bad.

ichitaka05 · 06-06-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Ach, my bad.

It's all good. You always correct my mistakes. lol

[es vi: eks] · 06-06-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Only thing I know is, I don't ever wanna work/fix 911 or cayman, never ever. Looking at the blueprints already giving me a headache.

Ive done Work X at a Subaru/ Porsche delership many many years ago.
I had to help do Work on all kinds of Porsches. In fact I worked on a almost brand new Porsche Boxsters etc at the time. Man did I enjoy working on it and found it pretty easy to work on.

ichitaka05 · 06-06-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by [es vi: eks]

Ive done Work X at a Subaru/ Porsche delership many many years ago.
I had to help do Work on all kinds of Porsches. In fact I worked on a almost brand new Porsche Boxsters etc at the time. Man did I enjoy working on it and found it pretty easy to work on.

Yes, cuz you had all the tools you need to work on it. I think, you'll think differently if you had to work under the sun w limited tools (no lift, no power, just pure muscle). I've pulled out several of my friends engines (Toyota, Nissan, Subaru & Honda. All 4cyl) & fixed/tuned them w just few tools, cuz most of them was made to it like that (specially Honda's)... but Porsche is totally different, you gotta have the right tools & lift, you can't work on them... at least, that's what I think anyways.

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djohnson Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: 1996 RAV4 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The only "major design change" I would not have a problem with is switching to a MR layout from FR. Would definately make for an interesting drive, though it would mean the end of the rear seats. A problem for some, a blessing for others. Are there currently any MR cars with a flat/boxer layout?

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MtnDrvr86 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 2002 honda civic ex Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 337 Thanks: 30 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^ caymen

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djohnson Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: 1996 RAV4 Location: Lebanon, PA Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Looking around it seems the only car to use a flat layout with midship mounting is the Porsche Boxster/986/987. But it is a flat 6 and considerably more expensive than the 86 is projected to be.

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chulooz Registered you sir Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: 99 impreza coupe Location: DC / CT Posts: 1,666 Thanks: 259 Thanked 380 Times in 207 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would not agree, the engines placement in relation to the axels is the best way of describing a particular layout.

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