Question for BRZ and GT-87 hps?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by koyv90

k20/k24 got great torque.
Mitsubishi lancer evos and subaru wrxs also got great torque outputs.

This one is debatable. And I don't agree with you on this one.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by koyv90

k20/k24 got great torque.
Mitsubishi lancer evos and subaru wrxs also got great torque outputs.

That depends. The 2L WRX was not famous for its torque (certainly made more torque than your run of mill Japanese N/A 4 banger), but the 2.5L engines obviously made a whole lot more. Especially in 2009+ guise with the larger/redesigned turbochargers.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

That's one way to call someone a liar.

That is OK with me, I have nothing to prove to anyone, especially eWarriors on a scion forum. Those who want to listen to what I want to say are welcome to.. if not, oh well.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

A turbo brz will definitely come in close to or above $30k. They have been saying mid 20s all along for the base model so the extra upgrades in the turbo version will definitely add a few thousand to the limited price. An sti version would probably use the limited model as a starting point sans the leather and then add on suspension bits, etc from there.

Then it would be radically overpriced, and only the die hard fan boys would buy it. Then again the base BRZ/FRS at 25k is already radically overpriced, the limited at 28k is laughable.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Add another ~130lbs for the STI with larger brakes (weight mostly in the iron, not the caliper), beefier transmission, and beefier rear end. AWD and loads of torque don't play nice, hence the need for that awesome transmission (which I believe is where MOST of the weight differential comes from). The question with this car will not be whether or not it can take turbo, but rather how much turbo it can take before other components fail/need to upgraded as well.

agreed completely, but I can't imagine such a small light weight car only making 300hp to need a whole lot more than 100lbs. It is a VERY tiny, and fairly light weight car... the stock camary or wrx brakes would likely be more than enough... but you have a bit of a point, given that we already know the stock brakes are barely enough for the car as it is, if you make it quick, it likely would need a substantial brake upgrade.


In other news... I saw that the new Chevy Malibu 4 cycl. is rated at 270hp, and the family 4 door sedan goes 0-60 in 6.3s....

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

A turbo brz will definitely come in close to or above $30k. They have been saying mid 20s all along for the base model so the extra upgrades in the turbo version will definitely add a few thousand to the limited price. An sti version would probably use the limited model as a starting point sans the leather and then add on suspension bits, etc from there.

That isn't entirely true. When I first began following the project it was aimed at low $20k range. It isn't until more recently the figure has inflated to $25k.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

agreed completely, but I can't imagine such a small light weight car only making 300hp to need a whole lot more than 100lbs. It is a VERY tiny, and fairly light weight car... the stock camary or wrx brakes would likely be more than enough... but you have a bit of a point, given that we already know the stock brakes are barely enough for the car as it is, if you make it quick, it likely would need a substantial brake upgrade.


In other news... I saw that the new Chevy Malibu 4 cycl. is rated at 270hp, and the family 4 door sedan goes 0-60 in 6.3s....

Says who? Stock brakes are more than enough for the stock car from what I have read.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Says who? Stock brakes are more than enough for the stock car from what I have read.

Well the first thing that jumps to mind is the Chris Harris review, he reported brake fade after just a few laps on a very short, low speed circuit.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3639

If what he says is true, then High performance pads and some slotted rotors will allow the stock brakes to handle light track duty with a stock car, but if 100hp was added, and the average lap speed increased, the car would require a substantial brake upgrade was my only point.

Was not knocking the car at all. Stock brakes are 100% ok for street use.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

Well the first thing that jumps to mind is the Chris Harris review, he reported brake fade after just a few laps on a very short, low speed circuit.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3639

If what he says is true, then High performance pads and some slotted rotors will allow the stock brakes to handle light track duty with a stock car, but if 100hp was added, and the average lap speed increased, the car would require a substantial brake upgrade was my only point.

Was not knocking the car at all. Stock brakes are 100% ok for street use.

That is what I was talking about. DD street car the brakes are more than ok. For track duties you would need to do pads and brake fluid. Might even need to do brake lines.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That isn't entirely true. When I first began following the project it was aimed at low $20k range. It isn't until more recently the figure has inflated to $25k.

I've also seen several price jumps. Initially it was at 19, then 22, to 24, now it's 25.9 (what I heard from a dealer). If it is above 25 I'm done.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That isn't entirely true. When I first began following the project it was aimed at low $20k range. It isn't until more recently the figure has inflated to $25k.

lower than that... when the first concept came out, Toyota said the car was going to be "fast tracked into production" and would be sub-20k", then jumped to just over 20k when the second concept came out, They first suggest 25k'ish for the something like the g-sports concept.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

lower than that... when the first concept came out, Toyota said the car was going to be "fast tracked into production" and would be sub-20k", then jumped to just over 20k when the second concept came out, They first suggest 25k'ish for the something like the g-sports concept.

That is why I said when I began following the car.

[Gadflyii]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That is why I said when I began following the car.

It is been a long haul....

I just hope they keep the pricing down, and bring out a production version of the "G" concept....

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

agreed completely, but I can't imagine such a small light weight car only making 300hp to need a whole lot more than 100lbs. It is a VERY tiny, and fairly light weight car... the stock camary or wrx brakes would likely be more than enough... but you have a bit of a point, given that we already know the stock brakes are barely enough for the car as it is, if you make it quick, it likely would need a substantial brake upgrade.

Agree with you on this one.

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

In other news... I saw that the new Chevy Malibu 4 cycl. is rated at 270hp, and the family 4 door sedan goes 0-60 in 6.3s....

This puts the malibu in line with a v6 mazda 6 and nissan altima. I've said it before that this car will get soundly beaten by many 4 door family sedans. The 260 ft-lb of torque on that malibu are available from 1700 rpm so you'll be looking even more silly when you do your clutch drop at 6000 rpm to launch this car and still get beat by the family sedan.

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

Then it would be radically overpriced, and only the die hard fan boys would buy it. Then again the base BRZ/FRS at 25k is already radically overpriced, the limited at 28k is laughable.

What cars do you think aren't overpriced? $28k is the going rate for cars equipped like this one whether you like it or not. You are never going to fill your gas tank for $25 again and you aren't going to be getting cars with independent suspensions, touchscreen radios, leather interiors, and HID headlights for much under $30k.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

That isn't entirely true. When I first began following the project it was aimed at low $20k range. It isn't until more recently the figure has inflated to $25k.

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

lower than that... when the first concept came out, Toyota said the car was going to be "fast tracked into production" and would be sub-20k", then jumped to just over 20k when the second concept came out, They first suggest 25k'ish for the something like the g-sports concept.

Nothing official was ever released that said they were shooting for under $20k for a rwd sports coupe. If you actually believed that they would hit a price that low you are crazy. You can't even do a B segment performance car for a price that low. People need to wake up to the reality of the world today. Things are much more expensive than they were even 10 years ago and the dollar is not nearly as strong as it used to be. To top it off, this horrible economy has prices going up much faster than your salary so your taking it from both ends. You are never going to fill your gas tank for $25 again nor will you buy a gallon of milk for $1.

Also, the only place the $25k figure is being stated is on this forum. There is no evidence to suggest that the FR-S will be that expensive.

The FR-S will probably come in somewhere between $23-24.5k + destination.