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Matador · 05-13-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

power production has zero, nada, nothing, zilch, to do with cylinder layout. NOTHING.

head, intake, and exhaust design make power.

UGH.

-Mike

Revolutions also do, hence one could argue because of revolution limitations in certain configurations, power production can be affected.

ichitaka05 · 05-13-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

power production has zero, nada, nothing, zilch, to do with cylinder layout. NOTHING.

head, intake, and exhaust design make power.

UGH.

-Mike

Comp ratio make power difference too. Look up JP s2k & US/EURO s2k. One of the main difference in the engine is comp ratio (11.7:1 vs 11:1). Because of that, it lost 10hp. s2k owners here correct me, if I'm wrong.

Matador · 05-13-2010, 02:35 PM

^ Technically, it increases torque.

Franisco · 05-13-2010, 02:42 PM

Ok, I guess I understand now. Somehow I don't see Porsche teaming up with Toyota anytime soon haha

ichitaka05 · 05-13-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ Technically, it increases torque.

I think, you and me are both correct. Here's US & JP ver s2k spec (AP1)
Comp Ratio: 11:1 vs 11.7:1
HP: 237bhp vs 247bhp
tq: 207N-m vs 218N-m

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Originally Posted by Franisco

Ok, I guess I understand now. Somehow I don't see Porsche teaming up with Toyota anytime soon haha

Oh, I agree w ya on that one.

bigbcraig · 05-13-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

power production has zero, nada, nothing, zilch, to do with cylinder layout. NOTHING.

head, intake, and exhaust design make power.

UGH.

-Mike

Compression ratio and revs are head design. (ok yes piston; but otherwise come on)

*sigh*We've been over this before. Subaru doesn't really make any NA performance engines - and as such aren't comparable. Boxers have just as much potential as any other engine, its just differences in packaging and balance.
If you want performance boxers, Testarossa and Porsche are two quick&easy examples.

Lexicon101 · 05-13-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbcraig

Compression ratio and revs are head design. (ok yes piston; but otherwise come on)

*sigh*We've been over this before. Subaru doesn't really make any NA performance engines - and as such aren't comparable. Boxers have just as much potential as any other engine, its just differences in packaging and balance.
If you want performance boxers, Testarossa and Porsche are two quick&easy examples.

About that bolded part... You sure about that?
There are a lot of different kinds of engines.

enc0re · 05-14-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Franisco

Ok, I guess I understand now. Somehow I don't see Porsche teaming up with Toyota anytime soon haha

You realize that Toyota and Porsche had a memorandum of understanding in 1990, right? Toyota taught Porsche the entire Toyota Production System and was instrumental in its turnaround. There's a reason Porsche has the fewest flaws per 100 new vehicles, ahead of Lexus.

enc0re · 05-14-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

^ What Shevon said. Supra is...was Toyota's flagship sports car. The IS-F is Lexus' entry model sports sedan. The Land Cruiser starts @ $69K doesn't it? More than an RX or GX.

Landcruiser $66K -> Lexus LX $77K
Sequoia $39K -> Lexus GX $52K
Highlander $26K -> Lexus RX $38K

The same holds true for all shared Lexus/Toyota vehicles. If Toyota were to make a new Supra, it would almost certainly be a V6. Therefore, it would share chassis with the IS350. So we'd be looking at a little over $30K for a base Supra.

Perhaps Toyota would want to balls to the wall and drop 400+hp in the Supra. In that case, they would certainly use the 3UR-GSE V8. That means a $50K Supra. Toyota would not price a Supra above a Lexus with the same motor. This is marketing 101.

Dark · 05-14-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by enc0re

Landcruiser $66K -> Lexus LX $77K
Sequoia $39K -> Lexus GX $52K
Highlander $26K -> Lexus RX $38K

The same holds true for all shared Lexus/Toyota vehicles. If Toyota were to make a new Supra, it would almost certainly be a V6. Therefore, it would share chassis with the IS350. So we'd be looking at a little over $30K for a base Supra.

Perhaps Toyota would want to balls to the wall and drop 400+hp in the Supra. In that case, they would certainly use the 3UR-GSE V8. That means a $50K Supra. Toyota would not price a Supra above a Lexus with the same motor. This is marketing 101.

But Sequoia is twin bro of Tundra. GX is twin bro of Land Cruiser Prado.

EDIT: I don't think Toyota will use the same motor because they need to meet to regulation is a few years ahead. They will tune up the engine or design a new one.

ichitaka05 · 05-14-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by enc0re

Landcruiser $66K -> Lexus LX $77K
Sequoia $39K -> Lexus GX $52K
Highlander $26K -> Lexus RX $38K

The same holds true for all shared Lexus/Toyota vehicles. If Toyota were to make a new Supra, it would almost certainly be a V6. Therefore, it would share chassis with the IS350. So we'd be looking at a little over $30K for a base Supra.

Perhaps Toyota would want to balls to the wall and drop 400+hp in the Supra. In that case, they would certainly use the 3UR-GSE V8. That means a $50K Supra. Toyota would not price a Supra above a Lexus with the same motor. This is marketing 101.

Hm... I don't know bout that. I can't really see new Supra price tag to be around $30k. $50k~$60k is more believable to me. Specially Toyota knows that they cannot mess w the Supra name and Supra's history.

Just say Toyota made new Supra w v6 twin turbo pushing 488hp/441tq weighting bout 3200~3800lbs and starting price around $52k~$62k. Bout $20k cheaper than GT-R, but pressing bout same amount of hp/tq. Bout same price tag as M3 series, it'll be perfect for comparison.

2jz-gte4life · 05-14-2010, 08:24 PM

I really hope Toyota makes another Supra, it's been too long of a wait.

Perhaps they are secretly making one but are trying to perfect it.

The new GTR "skyline", has come out, now there's rumors that a new rx-7 may come out, maybe this will get the ball rolling.

ichitaka05 · 05-14-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2jz-gte4life

I really hope Toyota makes another Supra, it's been too long of a wait.

Perhaps they are secretly making one but are trying to perfect it.

The new GTR "skyline", has come out, now there's rumors that a new rx-7 may come out, maybe this will get the ball rolling.

Don't get your hopes up til this FT86c come to production and goes well... so looking at another 5~10yrs (that's my opinion anyways).

bigbcraig · 05-14-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexicon101

About that bolded part... You sure about that?
There are a lot of different kinds of engines.

Well, given the lack of explanation of what you're asking, so I'll just assume you're being pedantic. And I'll still hold to what I said.

Boxers have just as much potential as any other format of traditional otto-cycle engine. period.

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