SUPRA Musings...

[Axel]

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[OldSkoolToys]

Can a person even do a comparison to the Supras of the 80's to the mustang of the 80's?

Isn't that like comparing Sirloin steak to dog food?

FYI, this guy is on effing crack. "The Supra is a big, bland car..."

You know how I remember my Supra? Powerful, confusingly nimble in the corners for its size (again, the Supra's cornering is alllways overlooked by people), and luxary out the ass. It had everything. There is still no car that has been able to measure up to the comfortness of its factory bucket seats. Those things would easily put someone to sleep. My 1989 MarkIII N/A could still beat '98+ V6 stangs down any straight AND around any corner

The Supra died in America because Toyota couldn't keep the costs of the damn car down. How could they? The car was boasting the best of everything in a car in one package. You had ultimate power, superb reliability, and every freekin' luxary that came on a Lexus. Mate that with the fact that the luxary/high power sport car market was shrinking at that time (RX-7 and 300zx had already bitten the bucket by then) and its a no brainer why it was axed. It certainly wasn't because it was a "big, bland car". It was still manufactured in Japan until 2000, when eventual Japanese emission laws shut it down for good (and hence, no more L6's....).

This especially:

Quite a healthy jump from the 160 hp of the Mark II, but the Mustang GT was making 225 at the time, for thousands less.

You can't compare the two cars, I don't care who you are. The quality difference between a Supra and a Mustang was so distanced, its not possible to do so.
The car wasn't nicknamed the "Rich man's Mustang." It was nicknamed "The Poor man's Porsche", and for damn good reason.

This is the kind of garbage you get spewed in your face when someone tries to make an educated conclusion on a car using one stat: HP.

[S2KtoFT86]

He did make an incorrect quote in reference to his F & F quotes. It's not "This will dominate all", it's "This will decimate all. With about 15 grand, we'll overnight parts from Japan if we have to." Just thought I'd clear that confusion up.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Can a person even do a comparison to the Supras of the 80's to the mustang of the 80's?

Isn't that like comparing Sirloin steak to dog food?

FYI, this guy is on effing crack. "The Supra is a big, bland car..."

You know how I remember my Supra? Powerful, confusingly nimble in the corners for its size (again, the Supra's cornering is alllways overlooked by people), and luxary out the ass. It had everything. There is still no car that has been able to measure up to the comfortness of its factory bucket seats. Those things would easily put someone to sleep. My 1989 MarkIII N/A could still beat '98+ V6 stangs down any straight AND around any corner

The Supra died in America because Toyota couldn't keep the costs of the damn car down. How could they? The car was boasting the best of everything in a car in one package. You had ultimate power, superb reliability, and every freekin' luxary that came on a Lexus. Mate that with the fact that the luxary/high power sport car market was shrinking at that time (RX-7 and 300zx had already bitten the bucket by then) and its a no brainer why it was axed. It certainly wasn't because it was a "big, bland car". It was still manufactured in Japan until 2000, when eventual Japanese emission laws shut it down for good (and hence, no more L6's....).

This especially:

You can't compare the two cars, I don't care who you are. The quality difference between a Supra and a Mustang was so distanced, its not possible to do so.
The car wasn't nicknamed the "Rich man's Mustang." It was nicknamed "The Poor man's Porsche", and for damn good reason.

This is the kind of garbage you get spewed in your face when someone tries to make an educated conclusion on a car using one stat: HP.

All of what this man said.

Axel, do you read a lot of TTAC? IMHO that site sucks donkey bollocks and the Neidermyer guy is a complete and utter tool. Didn't that twit "retire" or something a couple months ago? Responses everywhere where almost unanimous. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out".

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

He did make an incorrect quote in reference to his F & F quotes. It's not "This will dominate all", it's "This will decimate all. With about 15 grand, we'll overnight parts from Japan if we have to." Just thought I'd clear that confusion up.

F&F is a terrible example anyways. When that little squirrley kid popped the hood on the supra when it was on the tow truck he said "2JZ, no shit!"

Yeah, no shit dumbfuck...EVERY 4th gen came with a '2JZ'...its the GE and the GTE that made the difference. And he was getting all uber excited about it being a 2JZ...a 2JZ-GE no less!

<.< I was 16 when the movie came out, and yeah, my girl in the theatre with me didn't care that I was tearing the movie apart from a technical standpoint. She was more interested in the taste of my neck. I was more interested in ripping the movie a new one.

[Franisco]

You live up to your name of a Toyota purist...really it needs to be more like Toyota whore...
And I mean that in the nicest way

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

F&F is a terrible example anyways. When that little squirrley kid popped the hood on the supra when it was on the tow truck he said "2JZ, no shit!"

Yeah, no shit dumbfuck...EVERY 4th gen came with a '2JZ'...its the GE and the GTE that made the difference. And he was getting all uber excited about it being a 2JZ...a 2JZ-GE no less!

<.< I was 16 when the movie came out, and yeah, my girl in the theatre with me didn't care that I was tearing the movie apart from a technical standpoint. She was more interested in the taste of my neck. I was more interested in ripping the movie a new one.

Since when has anyone ever gotten anything right in a movie? Of anykind (some documentaries exempt of course...but who watches those anyway?).



It was far off the mark technically, but it was fun none the less. Lots of eye candy too.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Axel

nah... just happened on the above three articles because they were new and interesting. You probably have the Neidermyer guy misplaced with somebody else who retired because he seems to be writing up a storm...

And it wasn't his articles that you and our resident Toyota Purist took objection to anyway... it was the fourth article I posted that was written by Jack Baruth.. who is a different guy I presume. And his writing style and the way he described the experience of driving the Supra was interesting & mostly complementary.

Baruth's comments on the car were his opinion, not ours, and not some technical standpoint that can be countered. People can only get so much pleasure from being "technically correct"... I'd wager much more can be had from the too-few-and-far-between "visceral experiences" we are lucky enough to encounter in life... OldSkoolToys might have enjoyed himself more way back when if he had concentrated more on his girls nibbling and the farcical nature of the movie he was watching.

Has nothing to do with the car being called "big, bland, boring" or whatever.

The man must either drive a supercar everyday or he's got a 2ft circumference log jammed up his ass.

Either way, comparing the 80's Supras to the 80's Mustangs is just horrible, horrible form. Those mustangs were garbage compared to the quality you got from a Supra. And you paid for it, no doubt about it.

And namely how every major car magazine matched the Supra's up against higher-end cars (like Porsches) instead of Mustangs and Camaro's, and not only ran 'em against them, they got high marks for it! They did it for a reason, btw, and one was its price (Which was considerably lower), the second was because the car actually matched against them. Again, it earned the nickname "poor man's Porsche".

And actually most of my critcism goes against that Niedermeyer guy (from the Mk3 discussion, since he so HEAVILY compared it to the Mustang), I just happened to quote Mr. Baruth on a pretty....well, opionionated statement. From the sounds of it, he's probably more accustomed to the Virtua Boy-mind-numbing visual experience of an Audi interior anyways. I honestly can't see how anyone with a taste for a driver's cockpit would see the Supra interiors (mainly mk3 and mk4) as anything but such.

I'll admit, I'm guilty of skimming at first, noticing some words I didn't agree with, and going off the bat. He described the Mk2 pretty perfectly. Just, don't, don't don't, compare the mk3 to a mustang of its same age. God, it puts a disgusting taste in my mouth.

[Matador]

Check out this vid. Can anybody here understand japanese?

of a 6 part video

Also,

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