SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[jprice130]

I believe that Rick said at some point that the twins were not the car to have in CS (obviously debatable), so that is clearly a factor in the PAX disparity between CS and STX. The CS Miatas and CS 350Zs have to compete in STR right? I think if we complain too much about how CS PAX is too close to STX PAX, then we may end up getting the twins bumped to STR.

Also Henry, I noticed that a CS Miata won top PAX at your last event right? I still agree that the Street PAX values are very conservative, but maybe it's not so bad for the CS Miatas and 350Zs? Or is the guy that got top PAX just a ridiculously awesome driver?

[Kido1986]

Terry Tabor is a multiple national trophy BS S2k driver. That site, Deland, has less grip in the dry than most sites do in the rain. His soft compliant suspension and lack of power helped, he'll even admit.

He's probably our second fastest driver, only to F-Mod savant Darrin Seltzer

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by jprice130

I believe that Rick said at some point that the twins were not the car to have in CS (obviously debatable), so that is clearly a factor in the PAX disparity between CS and STX. The CS Miatas and CS 350Zs have to compete in STR right? I think if we complain too much about how CS PAX is too close to STX PAX, then we may end up getting the twins bumped to STR.

Also Henry, I noticed that a CS Miata won top PAX at your last event right? I still agree that the Street PAX values are very conservative, but maybe it's not so bad for the CS Miatas and 350Zs? Or is the guy that got top PAX just a ridiculously awesome driver?

I wouldn't go that far, remember the now-BS version of the Miata is the baseline for that STR classing, and with the V6 the Z cars can get more power out of ST modifications than we can. The closer spec RX-8 is still STX as well.

With that said I agree the BRZ/FR-S is probably a second tier CS car, maybe borderline capable of winning given the right event conditions and course layout.

[FastWhite]

I am lucky in that, for now at least, I only race local. So no national events. There the twins do ok.
But now that it seems everyone is discounting the car to also ran status.
What then should I sell my car and by a first class car that will win win win.


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[Kido1986]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

I wouldn't go that far, remember the now-BS version of the Miata is the baseline for that STR classing, and with the V6 the Z cars can get more power out of ST modifications than we can. The closer spec RX-8 is still STX as well.

With that said I agree the BRZ/FR-S is probably a second tier CS car, maybe borderline capable of winning given the right event conditions and course layout.

The Miata he mentioned was CS, not BS. It's a base, non-msr, with nothing but RS3s. All else OEM

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by FastWhite

I am lucky in that, for now at least, I only race local. So no national events. There the twins do ok.
But now that it seems everyone is discounting the car to also ran status.
What then should I sell my car and by a first class car that will win win win.

on the one hand i feel like i got kicked in the balls. The BRZ/FRS got so much hype that they decided to just bury the car before it took off

on the other hand, even though we use SCCA rules here in Canada, we don't quite have the numbers or the "dedicated must-have vehicles"

i quote honeslty can't think of anyone that's gonna be running in a perfectly setup 370z on streets

so while i wont' be attending any US nationals any time soon, i think for local competition it's something that one shouldn't stress to much over.

[Kido1986]

The only upside to the Zs being too much for the class is that they are really expensive to operate. Very expensive tire size and they chew through said tires quickly. Hopefully that deters most. I'd hope the "win at any cost" ballers are all in big money classes and not in our lowly stock, street tired class.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

on the one hand i feel like i got kicked in the balls. The BRZ/FRS got so much hype that they decided to just bury the car before it took off

on the other hand, even though we use SCCA rules here in Canada, we don't quite have the numbers or the "dedicated must-have vehicles"

i quote honeslty can't think of anyone that's gonna be running in a perfectly setup 370z on streets

so while i wont' be attending any US nationals any time soon, i think for local competition it's something that one shouldn't stress to much over.

Completely agree. Even at a national level here in the US, I expect MAYBE 3 competitors will have both a dialed in 370Z AND the skill to win a national jacket in C Street will show up for Nationals. That leaves plenty of opportunity. And if they have cone issues or the courses favor speed maintenance, there is definitely the opportunity for BRZ/FR-S, RX-8, miata, 370Z, 350Z all to have a shot at a podium spot.

Originally Posted by Kido1986

The only upside to the Zs being too much for the class is that they are really expensive to operate. Very expensive tire size and they chew through said tires quickly. Hopefully that deters most. I'd hope the "win at any cost" ballers are all in big money classes and not in our lowly stock, street tired class.

Exactly, this is my thought behind maybe having 3... that might be generous, I haven't heard of anybody jumping in Zs...

[FastWhite]

As many members state, "Driver
Mod First".
I learnt that after spending a ton of cash on a STU STI. As long as I had no competition, great trophies. Add some completion, also ran class.
For me, I find the BRZ pushes My level


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[FastWhite]

Skill level. I grew up on high rev lo torque cars. I loved twin webers, just not tuning them.
With some more development, the BRZ will do fine. It is still very young. It is an incredibly well balanced car. With a 20mm sway on, I HAD FUN!!!!
Don't let everyone's competitiveness turn into combativeness.
And I am VERY competitive.
I learnt to take with a grain of salt.
Yes old man wisdom.
Party on dude


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[itzmik3]

I know this is a bit late, but at the last autocross we conducted a little bit of an experiment.

We took Brian Peters (current STR champion in his 350z) and he drove our (simpleisbest) FRS and Jeff Stuart's 370z back to back in the same heat.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yLgNyhYMP8"]1-19-14 SoCal C-Street Xrun - YouTube[/ame]
71.628 in the FRS w/ the following mods
Koni Yellows, 245 BFG Rivals square set up, tanabe front bar

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-eyvbmPXLY"]AAA 011914 Brian - YouTube[/ame]
71.104 in the 370z w/ the following mods
Koni Yellow, 285 RS3 square set up, (don't recall if he has a bar yet)


So as you can see just over a .5 second slower.



However now, lets throw in a different variable.
Guy Walker is a veteran driver on his comeback tour in his 370z runs a 72.632 with a lot of visible mistakes.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn-qCZ89SLU"]20140119 SCCA CSCC AAA 72.632 LAP4 web - YouTube[/ame]

I'm not gonna say Brian's laps in the car were the fastest that the FRS can go, but even still for a Guy's PAX time to be less than .7 away. It goes to show that the FRS is getting beat pretty hard if we continue to compete with the same index.

[SeanRTR]

Originally Posted by itzmik3

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We took Brian Peters (current STR champion in his 350z) and he drove our (simpleisbest) FRS and Jeff Stuart's 370z back to back in the same heat.

71.104 in the 370z w/ the following mods
Koni Yellow, 285 RS3 square set up, (don't recall if he has a bar yet)

So as you can see just over a .5 second slower.

Looks like a huge mistake on this run around the 38 second marker?

Originally Posted by itzmik3

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However now, lets throw in a different variable.
Guy Walker is a veteran driver on his comeback tour runs a 72.632 with a lot of visible mistakes.

I'm not gonna say Brian's laps in the car were the fastest that the FRS can go, but even still for a Guy's PAX time to be less than .7 away. It goes to show that the FRS is getting beat pretty hard if we continue to compete with the same index.

Who is this Guy again, and which car was he driving?

Thank you for sharing.

[xwd]

I would consider that a more open nationals style course. You can see in the three or so faster acceleration areas how much faster the 370Z is... for obvious reasons. At like 50s in the first video there is the tight left hander and you can tell by engine noise the FR-S is probably sitting in the torque dip. The transition stuff seems pretty equal. Brian would have easily been in the 70.x range without the mistake in the 370Z run.

370Z doesn't seem to be having any problems putting power down on street tires...

[itzmik3]

Originally Posted by SeanRTR

Looks like a huge mistake on this run around the 38 second marker?






Who is this Guy again, and which car was he driving?

Thank you for sharing.

sorry forgot to mention that. Guy Walker drives a 370z also.
I will update my post.