Car is priced right but dealerships cause the car to fail....

[Jayvelliott]

Originally Posted by Dark

Not really. Each Scion dealer have their own lists, they can set the price to whatever they want as long as every car of the same model are sold at the same price (in one specific dealer). So they can mark up the first year model and go back to MSRP on the second year model without violating the Pure Pricing policy.

your wrong

[Jayvelliott]

Originally Posted by Driver

all you current scion owners, how'd your sales process go with the Pure Pricing? were the dealers asking anything over MSRP and in the other hand did anyone successfully get them to come down from the MSRP/pure price??

i worked at a scion/toyota dealership for a year and change and trust me we(south east toyota the distributor for florida dealerships) all sold our scions within $500 of each other otherwise you risk losing the right to sell scions

[Jayvelliott]

Originally Posted by Stryker Trailwood

It is easier to over charge on extras like different wheels or vinyl wrap then to make sure every car has the same bs markup everywhere it may be posted.
The only times I have seen a scion for more then msrp + ttl/dest is because they have loaded it with crap. I have been to almost every dealer in my area over the years and its always been the same.

Msrp is only about a thousand or so over invoice on scions. You are most likely only going to get less then msrp when the new year models are release, to get rid of the old.
On a new one you may be able to get a free option like the guy above with the free sway bar.

If a model a dealer is getting doesn't have someones specific order attached, many will load them up with all kind of extra cost and try to force sell that one instead of requesting what you are wanting when you walk in. If you are willing to wait, you can get them to find and get only what you are wanting with no BS options to mark up (or do your footwork to see who might have or be getting what your after sooner)

Its been this way regardless of how hard to find a model is. If you can wait, then you have the most leverage

I've bought 2 scions and neither has had any BS or cost added to them.
I went in, told them exactly what I wanted, and that's what they got for me.

Now, if the scion is used, no matter if someone only had it for a month/lease. ALL THE PURE PRICE GOES OUT THE WINDOW and a dealer can do whatever they want. Lol

this man knows what he is talking about

[Dillano609]

I think Scion's Pure Pricing will keep it at MSRP and adjusted accordingly according to any extras fitted. When I pre-ordered my FR-S they wrote down they were only going to charge MSRP.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Stryker Trailwood

It is easier to over charge on extras like different wheels or vinyl wrap then to make sure every car has the same bs markup everywhere it may be posted.
The only times I have seen a scion for more then msrp + ttl/dest is because they have loaded it with crap. I have been to almost every dealer in my area over the years and its always been the same.

Msrp is only about a thousand or so over invoice on scions. You are most likely only going to get less then msrp when the new year models are release, to get rid of the old.
On a new one you may be able to get a free option like the guy above with the free sway bar.

If a model a dealer is getting doesn't have someones specific order attached, many will load them up with all kind of extra cost and try to force sell that one instead of requesting what you are wanting when you walk in. If you are willing to wait, you can get them to find and get only what you are wanting with no BS options to mark up (or do your footwork to see who might have or be getting what your after sooner)

Its been this way regardless of how hard to find a model is. If you can wait, then you have the most leverage

I've bought 2 scions and neither has had any BS or cost added to them.
I went in, told them exactly what I wanted, and that's what they got for me.

Now, if the scion is used, no matter if someone only had it for a month/lease. ALL THE PURE PRICE GOES OUT THE WINDOW and a dealer can do whatever they want. Lol

This makes sense. A lot of folks don't know that even the accessories have an invoice price so getting extra crap at full pop isn't really a deal.

Let me ask you this... paying MSRP +TTL is a ripoff in my opinion so is the Pure Price include the dealers showing the invoice of not only the car but the accessories that you want to add?

I plan to wait for the supply has met the demand and to see what minor changes they plan to do for the main reason of being able to get a better deal on the car.

[Veloist]

Hi guys, I haven't confirmed this with my dad, but he's actually a salesman and I'm sure that the Pure Price refers solely to the dealership's advertised price. If it was sold for the same price everywhere, then salesmen, like my dad, wouldn't have an incentive to sell it, and rather spend their time dealing with a car that actually gives profit. There could already be a set division in terms of profits when the car goes for sale.

Here's the web definition of pure price:
"Pure Price means that the price you see posted – in an ad, on the dealer's website, or on a menu display board in the dealership – is the price you will pay. This includes vehicles, accessories, and even finance and insurance products. All our prices are clearly posted."

Here's the web price of the Scion tC: (20,305 AUTO)
http://www.scion.com/cars/tC/

And here are some examples of dealership advertised prices (20,489 AUTO)
http://www.putnamtoyota.com/bay-area..._~ModelActual_

The "mark-up" some of you may call, is most likely, apart from accessories, just local fees especially since California likes to throw some of those on every car.

I know for sure that a $184 profit is pretty ridiculous for both the dealer and the sales rep. So there's no way that could just be solely from the dealership.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

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Someone like big bottom so he photoshoped it....

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[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Veloist

Hi guys, I haven't confirmed this with my dad, but he's actually a salesman and I'm sure that the Pure Price refers solely to the dealership's advertised price. If it was sold for the same price everywhere, then salesmen, like my dad, wouldn't have an incentive to sell it, and rather spend their time dealing with a car that actually gives profit.

I don't follow. If you go to truecar.com and put any Scion model, they all sell right at or just above MSRP. If you put any Subaru model, they all sell well below MSRP and often below invoice. Your dad makes a lot more profit when the car sells at MSRP every time, and people buying it get a worse deal.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Veloist

Hi guys, I haven't confirmed this with my dad, but he's actually a salesman and I'm sure that the Pure Price refers solely to the dealership's advertised price. If it was sold for the same price everywhere, then salesmen, like my dad, wouldn't have an incentive to sell it, and rather spend their time dealing with a car that actually gives profit. There could already be a set division in terms of profits when the car goes for sale.

Here's the web definition of pure price:
"Pure Price means that the price you see posted – in an ad, on the dealer's website, or on a menu display board in the dealership – is the price you will pay. This includes vehicles, accessories, and even finance and insurance products. All our prices are clearly posted."

Here's the web price of the Scion tC: (20,305 AUTO)
http://www.scion.com/cars/tC/

And here are some examples of dealership advertised prices (20,489 AUTO)
http://www.putnamtoyota.com/bay-area-toyota/new-toyota/scion/previousClick/2/10/~/VehicleTypeID_~Model_~ModelActual_

The "mark-up" some of you may call, is most likely, apart from accessories, just local fees especially since California likes to throw some of those on every car.

I know for sure that a $184 profit is pretty ridiculous for both the dealer and the sales rep. So there's no way that could just be solely from the dealership.

So the advertised price of $20,489 is what Scion expects the buyer to pay?!?

Invoice on the '12 tC w/Auto is $18,590 and floor mats are $184 but I'm sure there is an invoice price for those.

[Gadflyii]

I personally feel that at 25k+ the car is overpriced to begin with.

There is nothing about this car that justifies it being that expensive. It has not exotic materials, nothing fancy at all. It is just a very small rear wheel drive car.

It is very likely costs less to produce than the TC, and is for sure cheaper to produce than the WRX and Impressa. This car in all reality should be between 15-18k base, and in the low 20's loaded.

So we will see what the US pricing is, but if the base FRS is over 23k, I will buy a WRX or Genesis coupe; After all the 2013 3.8l Track Gen coupe is 28k, and will easily sell for $1000-$1500 below MSRP.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by bneale

Um, I'm pretty sure you guys are wrong about the pure pricing policy.

Just to be clear, I asked the sales guy when I put my deposit down with Scion. I asked him "You will not be charging more then the MSRP due to your pure pricing policy correct?" and he agreed. My deposit was placed with the understanding that there was to be no dealer markup added. I personally don't plan on paying the Markup for this car and I plan on expressing this to the dealer if they've been wasting my time while I've been waiting.

That being said, someone explained the pure pricing policy to me like this.

A) Dealership is charging more then the MSRP. Call Toyota and they will get involved.

B) Dealership is charging less then the MSRP. Better hope Toyota doesn't find out!


I think you guys are a little confused on the policy. The policy states that the dealer may sell for less then the MSRP, not more.

EDIT: This is straight from the wiki page about Scions.

"Pure Price" means that the price posted, whether on the vehicle, in an advertisement, or on a menu display board in the dealership, is the price customers will pay."

So whatever they announce the price for, that's what we will pay. I don't see how you guys got somehow confused on this.

bneale

Was that from Jim Pattison Scion? They seem pretty decent, prices all matched the scion.ca site. The other (Open Road I think?) had a bunch of tC's on the lot that were 'pre-optioned' with a bunch of ricey crap and huge sticker prices.


Yup, Open Road. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pm...873884211.html

$33,442 for a tC!!!

God, the horrors that they will do to a FR-S...

[ZSwierczynski]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

Someone like big bottom so he photoshoped it....

Here is the real Ms. Wang

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I do not think Dealerships will make this car fail. Scion will market this towards younger and the car enthusiast and might increase the price for the later generations if they see a "Demand" for this vehicle, but then this car will be as common as a Scion TC.

[Double4Free]

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

Someone like big bottom so he photoshoped it....

Here is the real Ms. Wang

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A man can dream

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Was that from Jim Pattison Scion? They seem pretty decent, prices all matched the scion.ca site. The other (Open Road I think?) had a bunch of tC's on the lot that were 'pre-optioned' with a bunch of ricey crap and huge sticker prices.


Yup, Open Road. http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pm...873884211.html

$33,442 for a tC!!!

God, the horrors that they will do to a FR-S...

Wow Dimman, that's criminal! Even in CDN, the difference from a tC stock to a tC custom is egregious. I'd make sure that if you were to buy the FR-S to get them fast so dealers don't have the chance to modify anything about the vehicle (if you choose)