Car is priced right but dealerships cause the car to fail.... - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

tripjammer · 03-01-2012, 12:07 AM

You are not going to be able to go to a Scion dealer and buy a FR-S off the lot. Not going to happen at least in the first 3 months. If you think they are going to make many more units than the BRZ, you are in for a rude awakening. If you are able to order a FR-S...it will be MSRP. Any cars found on the lot could be higher than MSRP because they might have loaded them up with extra stuff that you don't need like special undercoating and paint sealant.

You are also not going to be seeing many BRZ's under MSRP too, unless that pricing is too high.

bestwheelbase · 03-01-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra

I never thought it would be possible to love a man the way I love you ZGrinch. Let's get this clear why: ONLY BECAUSE OF THE IBTL PHOTO

We all know it's because of more than that. It's clearly his witty banter... and the good-guy pricing he's arranged down in Florida.

Zgrinch · 03-01-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

We all know it's because of more than that. It's clearly his witty banter... and the good-guy pricing he's arranged down in Florida.

Thanks Best! What are your plans ? BRZ / FRS - now or later.

OrbitalEllipses · 03-01-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gt86mods

VOB Nissan in Rockville MD was charging a $75,000 markup on their first three GT-Rs, which doubled the price of the car. Total was over $160k, and none of them sold until they dropped the bullshit.

Oh man, can't believe I missed this. VOB are some sleazy bastards; probably one of the worst dealership groups in that whole area.

yurikaze · 03-01-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

Dealers charge exorbitant fees on high demand cars because they know people will pay it. Back in the day, the first year S2000's were commonly sold with $10k-$15k in dealer markups. I've even heard of $20k markups on Evo VIII's back in 2003. Neither of those models failed.

My Evo VIII had a $7k market adjustment. I told them I planned on taking home a car that night, but I wasn't paying a market adjustment. I ended up getting it for $1k over invoice. Seriously. Don't pay the market adjustment just to get a car. You can always find a dealership willing to negotiate.

chate · 03-01-2012, 12:32 PM

its hard but patience is key, the internet def will make it easier because shit dealers will be made infamous and good dealers will be referred. Like mentioned above early on its def not gonna be easy, but toyota/subie has made us wait almost 5 years now, whats another 4 months...and if you gots the cheddar then why not just pay the 20% premium to be one of the early adopters :P

bestwheelbase · 03-01-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Thanks Best! What are your plans ? BRZ / FRS - now or later.

Still leaning toward the FRS simply because nav doesn't interest me, HID can be added aftermarket, and the lower price will keep this firmly planted in the guilt-free part of my psyche.

Half of me enjoys the BRZ exterior but the other half wants the more aggressive FRS look (front end). I trust both will drive similarly enough but what if one really suits me over the other? It could be that the price is close enough that a slight handling/feedback preference with the BRZ could more than sway me to the Subaru side of things. (Which is cool because I secretly want to combine WR Blue with a big TRD wing!)

So to answer your question (sorry for rambling!) -- I have decided to test drive both and go from there. For me, it is more important to get the right car than to be the first in town with one. : )

WhiteGDB · 03-01-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashoverride

Has anyone seen a car promised by the factory to be X price but because the dealerships charge more then MSRP that it really causes the car to fail in that local area? Seems like dealerships...AKA stealerships could be the main factor in the failure of a new car realease.

No, because it has never happened. If dealers charge over MRSP, it's because there are people willing to pay it and when/if they don't sell then prices will come down.

MRSP hahaha, I'm gonna start using that from now on.

tachi1247 · 03-01-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteGDB

No, because it has never happened. If dealers charge over MRSP, it's because there are people willing to pay it and when/if they don't sell then prices will come down.

MRSP hahaha, I'm gonna start using that from now on.

+1

the entire thread topic is ridiculous. No dealership will charge over MSRP on a car that they can't sell any of. The price would drop like a rock. Do people forget that dealerships finance these cars? The longer they have them on the lot the more profit is lost.

miata · 03-02-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GenkiElite

2012. We have this thing called the internet now. Shop around.

I like!

Driver · 03-02-2012, 02:50 AM

all you current scion owners, how'd your sales process go with the Pure Pricing? were the dealers asking anything over MSRP and in the other hand did anyone successfully get them to come down from the MSRP/pure price??

2fast4you · 03-02-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Driver

all you current scion owners, how'd your sales process go with the Pure Pricing? were the dealers asking anything over MSRP and in the other hand did anyone successfully get them to come down from the MSRP/pure price??

I paid MSRP + TTL; no destination ($750), no dealer prep, and a free TRD rear sway bar ($205).

Verge · 03-02-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 2fast4you

I paid MSRP + TTL; no destination ($750), no dealer prep, and a free TRD rear sway bar ($205).

Nice! Which dealer was this?

Stryker Trailwood · 03-03-2012, 10:21 AM

It is easier to over charge on extras like different wheels or vinyl wrap then to make sure every car has the same bs markup everywhere it may be posted.
The only times I have seen a scion for more then msrp + ttl/dest is because they have loaded it with crap. I have been to almost every dealer in my area over the years and its always been the same.

Msrp is only about a thousand or so over invoice on scions. You are most likely only going to get less then msrp when the new year models are release, to get rid of the old.
On a new one you may be able to get a free option like the guy above with the free sway bar.

If a model a dealer is getting doesn't have someones specific order attached, many will load them up with all kind of extra cost and try to force sell that one instead of requesting what you are wanting when you walk in. If you are willing to wait, you can get them to find and get only what you are wanting with no BS options to mark up (or do your footwork to see who might have or be getting what your after sooner)

Its been this way regardless of how hard to find a model is. If you can wait, then you have the most leverage

I've bought 2 scions and neither has had any BS or cost added to them.
I went in, told them exactly what I wanted, and that's what they got for me.

Now, if the scion is used, no matter if someone only had it for a month/lease. ALL THE PURE PRICE GOES OUT THE WINDOW and a dealer can do whatever they want. Lol

03-03-2012, 10:21 AM	#56
Stryker Trailwood Scion Guy Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: Scions and a Harley Location: Texas Posts: 95 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	It is easier to over charge on extras like different wheels or vinyl wrap then to make sure every car has the same bs markup everywhere it may be posted. The only times I have seen a scion for more then msrp + ttl/dest is because they have loaded it with crap. I have been to almost every dealer in my area over the years and its always been the same. Msrp is only about a thousand or so over invoice on scions. You are most likely only going to get less then msrp when the new year models are release, to get rid of the old. On a new one you may be able to get a free option like the guy above with the free sway bar. If a model a dealer is getting doesn't have someones specific order attached, many will load them up with all kind of extra cost and try to force sell that one instead of requesting what you are wanting when you walk in. If you are willing to wait, you can get them to find and get only what you are wanting with no BS options to mark up (or do your footwork to see who might have or be getting what your after sooner) Its been this way regardless of how hard to find a model is. If you can wait, then you have the most leverage I've bought 2 scions and neither has had any BS or cost added to them. I went in, told them exactly what I wanted, and that's what they got for me. Now, if the scion is used, no matter if someone only had it for a month/lease. ALL THE PURE PRICE GOES OUT THE WINDOW and a dealer can do whatever they want. Lol __________________ FAMILY FLEET 2010 Black Currant Scion xD • 2006 Nautical Blue Scion tC 2010 RS 7.O Murasaki Scion xB2 • 2015 Blue Crush Metallic RAV4 Daily Rider 2014 White Hot Denim Harley-Davidson V-Rod Muscle

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