OFT vs. Ecutek

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Agreed.

And thanks bringing up another valid point about closed/open loop tuning. Why could you not run closed loop fuel control 100% of the time with Speed Density. I am sure with EcuTeK RaceROM you could.

With EcuTeK RaceROM a tuner can even use stock injectors to horsepower levels I am sure other systems will not be able to obtain due to fact they do not have EcuTeK RaceROM. So now one can save a little money for other performance minded parts.

On top of that a lot of EcuTeK tuners use the RaceROM custom mapping features heavily especially on forced induction vehicles. Most of our customers (75%) running FI usually request at least one of the features: FlexFuel, Traction Control, Boost Control, Switchable Maps...

Of course there are naturally aspirated vehicles which can run with other tuning systems, but I believe EcuTeK is making more on a naturally aspirated vehicle than anything else out there. And they have the option of switching between maps on the fly if they like.

There is just more cool features and abilities to come with EcuTeK. Where other systems just imitate, EcuTeK innovates.

Cheers,
William Knose

Bill,
Do you actually believe anything you just said?

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

It may sound like that who doesn't understand the point I am making.

Oh I got your point.



However the topic in debate was drivability with speed density. I know you feel the desire to swing a topic and make it overly technical to get people to look up to you. Bill does the same thing. However I really don't see the reason for this debate at this point. Yes I know Bill made have made some general statements that might be a tad off and you felt you had to correct him like you always do with everyone but come on man...

I'll see if I can draft up a chart showing the features & cost of Ecutek vs OFT vs Ecutek RaceROM as I have been using them both a lot lately... I have my frustrations with both platforms and i like points of both platforms. And I still recommend both platforms. But seriously... Chill out.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by FrsDuke

I've yet to hear someone say "I hate SD but I have to do it because of x, y, or z". The ones that use it are comfortable with it or prefer it for whatever reasons.

Well I'll gladly be your be first. I personally would prefer to do a simple MAF based tune. However the JRSC car mentioned earlier I am forced to use SD to allow it to rev to the factory rev limit. This will take additional time and effort and is required as we have maxed out the maf on this kit. Without modifying the maf, upgrading the maf, or lowering the rev limit I do in fact have to use SD.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

This debate condensed into an analogy:

Statement 1: it's ok to drive with no air pressure in your tire. BMWs and Mercedes can do it.

Counterpoint: that's not a valid comparison because those cars have run-flat tires. The FRS/BRZ does not. So attempting to so so is not ideal.

Statement 2: it seems that you are saying anything that you don't recommend isn't ideal. The point that luxurious cars can drive around with no air pressure still stands.

Counterpoint 2: [speechless]

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Well I'll gladly be your be first. I personally would prefer to do a simple MAF based tune. However the JRSC car mentioned earlier I am forced to use SD to allow it to rev to the factory rev limit. This will take additional time and effort and is required as we have maxed out the maf on this kit. Without modifying the maf, upgrading the maf, or lowering the rev limit I do in fact have to use SD.

Just to make sure it is clear, one does not modify or upgrade the MAF sensor itself. One makes changes the diameter of the housing it is mounted in and then re-calibrates the MAF sensor response curve to accommodate the new mass air:voltage relationship.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Just to make sure it is clear, one does not modify or upgrade the MAF sensor itself. One makes changes the diameter of the housing it is mounted in and then re-calibrates the MAF sensor response curve to accommodate the new mass air:voltage relationship.

Dear Shiv,

I sincerely apologize for attempting to make my post easily readable by people with low level understanding of how a MAF sensor and other technical aspects of how a fuel injection system functions while using easy to understand wording. In an attempt to point out that you like to point out the flaw in every individual users posts that has anything to do with tuning to show your superiority in knowledge and ability to make things sound more complicated so that users see that you are smarter than everyone else I may have accidentally offended you. Please don't get me banned.

With love,

This guy.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Yes I know Bill made have made some general statements that might be a tad off and you felt you had to correct him like you always do with everyone but come on man....

I think people of this forum who are eager to learn about cars are sick of bs info, anytime someone has the knowledge to correct the mistakes is doing their service to the community. So, let's not tell people to stop correcting bs info.

This goes for everybody, including your thread about fa20club.

[SubaSteve]

I swear by reading this all I could think of was this song.
[ame]http://youtu.be/WO23WBji_Z0[/ame]

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by s2d4

I think people of this forum who are eager to learn about cars are sick of bs info, anytime someone has the knowledge to correct the mistakes is doing their service to the community. So, let's not tell people to stop correcting bs info.

This goes for everybody, including your thread about fa20club.

So like I did when I called out shiv? Like I said I will post up a comparison of the products as I have been using them a lot lately. I'll try and make a thread tomorrow. If you really want to get down to it... the $$ saved on dyno time alone means ecutek is superior IMO. And shiv likes to tell the half truth like he did on his header... In which I posted the dyno of his header showing it made +9WHP +7WTQ peak gains... After I had mentioned it in a local thread and Shiv came to "save the world" and correct me in my local forum. He should chill out a bit and stop trying to be so aggressive in his sales pitches.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by nelsmar

So should we start calling out shiv? Like I said I will post up a comparison of the products as I have been using them a lot lately. I'll try and make a thread tomorrow. If you really want to get down to it... the $$ saved on dyno time alone means ecutek is superior IMO. And shiv likes to tell the half truth like he did on his header... In which I posted the dyno of his header showing it made +9WHP +7WTQ peak gains... After I had mentioned it in a local thread and Shiv came to "save the world" and correct me in my local forum. He should chill out a bit and stop trying to be so aggressive in his sales pitches.

Facts above all else. I just hope you know enough about what you are claiming.

People with bruised egos can go and have a cry if being corrected is the end of the world. I for one love being corrected as it means I've just learnt something new.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Facts above all else. I just hope you know enough about what you are claiming.

People with bruised egos can go and have a cry if being corrected is the end of the world. I for one love being corrected as it means I've just learnt something new.

Im all for being corrected. But hop into the OFH thread and look at the dyno I posted vs the dyno he originally posted. I am hoping those dynos were just made more recently and that the original one was one from a while back... Because otherwise it looks like he just posted the dyno that would sell the most units.

And we really shouldn't take this thread too far off topic. I would post that in his own thread but I don't want to get banned for "Vendor Bashing" in a vendor thread. I did however quote the post he originally made in the AZ thread in his own thread. Unless you are talking about another claim of mine? If it was the MAF claim yes I know enough and yes I provided evidence earlier in the thread.

[Cross]

If its not clear Nelsmar has a specific dislike for the OFT although he loves to say otherwise and tell everyone how much he sells for them etc. Lets recap some of the fun he spoke of but didn't really show.
When he spoke of Shiv not showing the true gains of his header this was the reply Shiv gave which suddenly was better suited to his questions but he is still beating the same horse because it suits his needs.

Originally Posted by nelsmar

So like I did when I called out shiv? Like I said I will post up a comparison of the products as I have been using them a lot lately. I'll try and make a thread tomorrow. If you really want to get down to it... the $$ saved on dyno time alone means ecutek is superior IMO. And shiv likes to tell the half truth like he did on his header... In which I posted the dyno of his header showing it made +9WHP +7WTQ peak gains... After I had mentioned it in a local thread and Shiv came to "save the world" and correct me in my local forum. He should chill out a bit and stop trying to be so aggressive in his sales pitches.

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't understand what your complaint is. We compared our new UEL header with both the stock header and an EL header on the same car, same dyno, similar conditions. Stock car with tune only goes from ~171->180whp on 91oct. Add UEL header and flash appropriate tune, power goes up to just over 190. Add E85 and flash appropriate tune and power goes to over 200whp.

In fact, our header-only car running E85 made nearly identical power as a full bolt-on car running a rather well known (and twice as expensive) header and E85. Midrange dip gone too. Same dyno. Nearly identical tune.

From my perspective, you have come to a conclusion without fully understanding the data provided.

Stock
Stage 1 (OFT only)
Stage 2 (OFT + OpenFlash Header)
91oct


Stage 2 (OFT+OpenFlash Header) on 91
Stage 2 (OFT+OpenFlash Header) on E85

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Dear Shiv,

I sincerely apologize for attempting to make my post easily readable by people with low level understanding of how a MAF sensor and other technical aspects of how a fuel injection system functions while using easy to understand wording. In an attempt to point out that you like to point out the flaw in every individual users posts that has anything to do with tuning to show your superiority in knowledge and ability to make things sound more complicated so that users see that you are smarter than everyone else I may have accidentally offended you. Please don't get me banned.

With love,

This guy.

Originally Posted by nelsmar

Im all for being corrected. But hop into the OFH thread and look at the dyno I posted vs the dyno he originally posted. I am hoping those dynos were just made more recently and that the original one was one from a while back... Because otherwise it looks like he just posted the dyno that would sell the most units.

And we really shouldn't take this thread too far off topic. I would post that in his own thread but I don't want to get banned for "Vendor Bashing" in a vendor thread. I did however quote the post he originally made in the AZ thread in his own thread. Unless you are talking about another claim of mine? If it was the MAF claim yes I know enough and yes I provided evidence earlier in the thread.

So its clear Nelsmar is not a fan of Shiv's he believes Shiv got John Visconti Banned...

Either way take a look for yourself.

[coyote]

You've got one camp whose entire business model is dependent upon devaluing and discrediting the work of anyone they see as a competitor in order to sell a gadget and another camp whose business model has a history of deception and will call any monkey willing to stump up a little cash a "Master Tuner". Makes for good entertainment, but very little headway in actually learning anything.

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[Shiv@Openflash]

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