Lets learn to drive manual! Save my clutch Season 1

[IloveBaldEagles]

@nataku

[ZionsWrath]

The number one reason to rev match on the street is because it is fun and sounds cool. Sure it is about 99% unnecessary but it helps combat the mundane commute

[calidus]

Scenario Time!

I am cursing along at 3000 RMP in 4th gear going 44 MPH, If I have 150 feet to come to a complete stop what should I do?

[ZionsWrath]

brake, clutch in right before completing the stop?

amirite? wut do i win?

[calidus]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

brake, clutch in right before completing the stop?

amirite? wut do i win?

I will give you a smiley face

So don't bother down shifting when coming to a complete stop?

[nataku]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

By doing engine Brake, you put too much Torque Tensions onto the transmission through the gears...which it was never an intentional engineering. Transmission and gears were engineered to distribute the Torque from small to bigger via momentum....put it simple.....your Transmission was never designed to be driven from 6---to 1....you will burn your Clutch, and Crack the gears....slip the Synchros....whatever

Conclusion.....Engine Brake kills your Drive train much faster than expected....that is Transmission (whole) + Clutch + Flywheel....some after market Aluminum flywheel will be easily warped.

Unless you're talking about someone who has no idea how to drive a manual properly this is complete misinformation.

If you want to downshift to engine brake you must rev-match by blipping the throttle. This prevents the clutch wear because the two sides of the clutch will be spinning at very nearly the same speed.

By your logic I will destroy my transmission if I'm in gear while not accelerating. That is completely absurd. I can rev to red line in a gear and coast down in that same gear and I will do no abnormal wear to the transmission.

Originally Posted by IloveBaldEagles

@nataku

hi

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by nataku

Unless you're talking about someone who has no idea how to drive a manual properly this is complete misinformation.

If you want to downshift to engine brake you must rev-match by blipping the throttle. This prevents the clutch wear because the two sides of the clutch will be spinning at very nearly the same speed.

By your logic I will destroy my transmission if I'm in gear while not accelerating. That is completely absurd. I can rev to red line in a gear and coast down in that same gear and I will do no abnormal wear to the transmission.



hi

You will destroy your transmission if...you engine brake....say you are at redline....engine braking without accelerating.

That is true. However if you are in gear have pedal input at high rev...you will be fine. Reason is because the car the trans, and everything else is in Harmony...the way it was designed....again, if you let off your pedal at high rev suddenly...engine brake happens...you are burning clutch.

Put it simply...can you brake your car without burning your discs and pads ? If you can..you will be the second einstein.....

Yeah...i didnt think so...therefore whenever you engine brake...you are burning the clutch and fly wheel as you do so.....and more on the gears...they were designed to be moving...not braking.

[nataku]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

You will destroy your transmission if...you are at redline....engine braking without accelerating.

If you do this on a regular basis you will damage every part of your car. No one who would defend engine braking would ever suggest this as a good way to drive. I was simply saying you exaggerate the wear on the transmission beyond reason.

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Put it simply...can you brake your car without burning your discs and pads ? If you can..you will be the second einstein.....

Yeah...i didnt think so...therefore whenever you engine brake...you are burning the clutch and fly wheel as you do so.....and more on the gears...they were designed to be moving...not braking.

The entire second paragraph is false and unnecessarily sassy. Using the vacuum of the engine during closed throttle to slow the movement of the car does not cause any undue wear to your transmission. If your clutch EVER slips while fully engaged you need a new clutch.

You are describing something I guess I'll call "clutch braking". That's driving like a moron. Engine braking does not involve any clutch wear whatsoever.

Also I'm not Eintsein, nor did I claim to be.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by nataku

If you do this on a regular basis you will damage every part of your car. No one who would defend engine braking would ever suggest this as a good way to drive. I was simply saying you exaggerate the wear on the transmission beyond reason.



The entire second paragraph is false and unnecessarily sassy. Using the vacuum of the engine during closed throttle to slow the movement of the car does not cause any undue wear to your transmission. If your clutch EVER slips while fully engaged you need a new clutch.

You are describing something I guess I'll call "clutch braking". That's driving like a moron. Engine braking does not involve any clutch wear whatsoever.

Also I'm not Eintsein, nor did I claim to be.

My appologize...you are actually right....it is clutch braking .... That i mentioned....

However, your clutch may not burn....but i still would like to think that the transmission was designed to move...not to stop movements

[nataku]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

My appologize...you are actually right....it is clutch braking .... That i mentioned....

However, your clutch may not burn....but i still would like to think that the transmission was designed to move...not to stop movements

Haha I just reread your first post and I realized what you were getting at...

Applying torque against the rotation of the gears isn't really that bad for them. I read a description of the effect that went something along the lines of this:

When you use the gears to accelerate you wear down one "side" of the teeth. When you use the gears to decelerate you wear down the other "side". If you never engine brake you will end up throwing your transmission away without having applied that wear.

I don't know how true that is, but I've never heard of a well-designed transmission having problems because of too many well-executed downshifts.

[Pete156]

Please try to match revs, and be in the correct gear for the speed.

I learned a long time ago (in the 60's) how to drive a manual. What I learned: Be patient, don't be intimidated or bullied by passengers or people behind you, and practice technique when you have free time.
Be patient! It's what I said from the start!
You can do it!

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by nataku

Applying torque against the rotation of the gears isn't really that bad for them. I read a description of the effect that went something along the lines of this:

When you use the gears to accelerate you wear down one "side" of the teeth. When you use the gears to decelerate you wear down the other "side". If you never engine brake you will end up throwing your transmission away without having applied that wear.

I don't know how true that is, but I've never heard of a well-designed transmission having problems because of too many well-executed downshifts.

Yeah, me neither, but you cant never be too careful right ?

[Pete156]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Coasting doesn't save fuel though as another poster pointed out because all emission controlled engines shut off the fuel when on overrun!

Sorry. Have to respectfully disagree,
When I come down down the west side of the Central Cascades (US Rt. 2), if I coast in my BRZ in neutral or in my Jeep JK unlimited I will far exceed my MPG by coasting for nearly 26 miles in neutral as opposed to running in gear and using engine braking. The computer in the Jeep snd BRZ aren't lying, are they?

[nataku]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Yeah, me neither, but you cant never be too careful right ?

There's a fine line haha. I learned to drive manual on this car and started out thinking a single mistake would cause the transmission to fall out / clutch to incinerate / engine to flood. In all honesty you have to drive very terribly to do any major damage to this car.

I drove around overboosting for a few hundred miles and blasted away my stock clutch, and the was still driving ok, clutch working out of boost. Look at that guy who's engine just exploded because of bad tune. He talked about the engine surviving a near knock situation for 12000 miles...

This car is strong. Strong like bull.

But I digress.

Back on topic my advice is just keep driving, watching videos and getting help from friends. Don't be shy about asking questions (which I can see you aren't OP since you started this thread). Manual transmission is the best part of driving a car in my opinion, just have fun and don't worry so much.