CSG's Jackson Racing "Factory Tuned" Supercharger experience, updated 12/19/2013

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

173whp is our baseline is 173whp

Baseline looks good baseline.

Can you comment on the comparison of the acceleration to this setup compared to a stockish S2000 on track?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Baseline looks good baseline.

Can you comment on the comparison of the acceleration to this setup compared to a stockish S2000 on track?

Haven't had a chance to test yet... I'll be driving back to back with a client's CSG prepped S2k this Saturday.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

The powerband doesn't look interesting, but I really need some seat time in one of these to make a choice. Torque valley looks great, but I can't get over the low numbers - though it puts things in perspective...75whp stock at 3K RPM? Yuck.

Would you say that's around 300chp, @CSG Mike? And just to re-confirm: on Cali 91, on a CARB legal tune, stock exhaust?

Yes, this is on Cali 91 (10% ethanol... yuck), CARB legal tune, stock exhaust, stock header, stock cats, etc.

Compare to Drift Office's 92 octane, SD tune, full exhaust, front pipe, and HKS EL header.

[the.big.kahoona]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Haven't had a chance to test yet... I'll be driving back to back with a client's CSG prepped S2k this Saturday.

Acceleration should not even be close

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[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Haven't had a chance to test yet... I'll be driving back to back with a client's CSG prepped S2k this Saturday.

More interested in a supercharged vs. supercharged comparo. Stock Jap hot cars shouldn't have a chance against a forced induction car, period.

[CSG Mike]

For comparison purposes.... the kits are identical, and both use the same pulley. This is how dramatic the difference is with breathing mods with a supercharger. DO NOT use catless pipes with the CARB tune. The CARB tune is intended for cars with both OEM catalytic converters.

You can see how linear the gain is with breathing mods. As exhaust gas flow linearly increases, the power gain also linearly increases. Both kits eliminate the factory torque dip. Also of note, is that the torque dips present in the Kraftwerks kit is not present in the Jackson Racing CARB tune.

Jackson Racing CARB tune
- CA 91 octane (E10)
- OEM header
- OEM front pipe
- OEM exhaust

Drift Office SD tune
- Washington 92 octane
- HKS EL catless header
- Motiv catless front pipe
- unknown exhaust

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by the.big.kahoona

Acceleration should not even be close

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A S2k with cams and a TP outputs as much power as a Jacksin Racing Supercharged FRS/BRZ running the OEM cats

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

More interested in a supercharged vs. supercharged comparo. Stock Jap hot cars shouldn't have a chance against a forced induction car, period.

I've solicited comparos with Vortech and Kraftwerks owners. They all declined. If any Vortech and Kraftwerks owners are interested, please let me know here, and we will cover your track day entry.

Please feel free to quote this post and tag owners that I may be unaware of.

If you volunteer your car, please know that I will be driving your car on track, while taking a full datalog. You are more than welcome to ride shotgun. We're more interested in the data, not lap times, as the lap times can have a large variance depending on the other modifications on your car.

[the.big.kahoona]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A S2k with cams and a TP outputs as much power as a Jacksin Racing Supercharged FRS/BRZ running the OEM cats

Didn't factor in cams. (Ex s2k owner here btw)

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by the.big.kahoona

Didn't factor in cams. (Ex s2k owner here btw)

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Also remember that the F20C has a really broad powerband, and the F22C is paired up with more aggressive gearing than the FRS/BRZ.

We'll be comparing with a S2k that has a stock powertrain though

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I've solicited comparos with Vortech and Kraftwerks owners. They all declined. If any Vortech and Kraftwerks owners are interested, please let me know here, and we will cover your track day entry.

Please feel free to quote this post and tag owners that I may be unaware of.

If you volunteer your car, please know that I will be driving your car on track, while taking a full datalog. You are more than welcome to ride shotgun. We're more interested in the data, not lap times, as the lap times can have a large variance depending on the other modifications on your car.

I meant against an S2K, but this works too.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I meant against an S2K, but this works too.

Oh... no comparo there at all...

The CSG S2k makes about 340whp on E85... same supercharger + HFC...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Oh... no comparo there at all...

The CSG S2k makes about 340whp on E85... same supercharger + HFC...

Gimpy little Subaru engine. How bout 91?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Gimpy little Subaru engine. How bout 91?

~330whp. Makes almost no difference for us, since we tune for reliability, not outright power.