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humfrz · 12-10-2013, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayme

Well there's a big difference between 12.0 and 12.5!
12.6 is a fully charged battery. 12.0 flat is a battery needing a charge. But we're all waiting on OP to boost 'er up and see what happens.

Yep, I agree ....

Some reading for the OP:

http://www.aa1car.com/library/battery_runs_down.htm

Please let us know when you get er cranking again.

humfrz

B_Rad · 12-10-2013, 08:27 AM

Gonna put a different battery in it today after work. Pretty sure you are all right. It was dead and I pulled it and gave it a charge.

For the mods I am on Airlift airstruts. Which after some reading last night is known to pull a small amount of voltage when off, and they recommend putting a trickle charger if your car is going to sit for an extended periord of time. The battery doesn't have enough amps to kick the compressors on now either.

Planned on upgraded the factory battery this spring anyway so I guess it will just be sooner now.

B_Rad · 12-12-2013, 08:33 AM

Nope no click, been super busy with work and have been unable to get the battery load tested. I was going to use the battery out of my xb to try and start it but some a-hole engineer decided to put a battery with the positve on the right side of the battery. Which makes it backwards to all the batteies I currently have.

kask2_6.0 · 12-12-2013, 08:41 AM

Like everyone else said put a battery charger on it or jump start it with another vehicle to verify if that's the problem. If that doesn't do it try tapping on the starter with a screwdriver while somebody tries to start it. Pretty unlikely on a new car but its possible for the starter to get stuck and tapping on it will free it up.

Mikem53 · 12-12-2013, 10:32 AM

Sitting for weeks.. Well jump the thing and it will start..

frslee · 12-12-2013, 11:16 AM

your youtube clip's title makes our car look bad... Did you try jump start?

strat61caster · 12-12-2013, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Rad

I was going to use the battery out of my xb to try and start it but some a-hole engineer decided to put a battery with the positve on the right side of the battery.

Why complicate things? Use the xb to jump the Toyobaru, it's a fifteen minute operation max. Hell have a buddy over if you don't have the xb anymore (why would you keep a good battery?) and get something to eat, go for a drive afterwards.

You probably don't need a new/upgraded battery, you just need to take care of your car and understand what it needs when you modify it away from OEM.

humfrz · 12-13-2013, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kask2_6.0

........... try tapping on the starter with a screwdriver while somebody tries to start it. Pretty unlikely on a new car but its possible for the starter to get stuck and tapping on it will free it up.

Oh, I wish ..... but I think the days of "tapping" on things to get them to work has almost come to a close.....

Like tapping on:

* starters (stuck solenoid)
* voltage regulators (stuck points)
* carburetors (stuck float)
* electric fuel pumps
* automatic choke (butterfly stuck)
* radio
* gauges
* horn relay
* various light bulbs

humfrz

kask2_6.0 · 12-13-2013, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz

Oh, I wish ..... but I think the days of "tapping" on things to get them to work has almost come to a close.....

Like tapping on:

* starters (stuck solenoid)
* voltage regulators (stuck points)
* carburetors (stuck float)
* electric fuel pumps
* automatic choke (butterfly stuck)
* radio
* gauges
* horn relay
* various light bulbs

humfrz

lol true.. but it still works for a starter!

Foobar · 12-13-2013, 09:20 AM

Agree with everyone else here - jumpstart the FRS from your XB. The stock battery isn't very good in my opinion. It drops below the level necessary to provide cranking way too soon, and once the battery has gotten to that point, its life degrades from there and only gets worse.

Mikem53 · 12-13-2013, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar

Agree with everyone else here - jumpstart the FRS from your XB. The stock battery isn't very good in my opinion. It drops below the level necessary to provide cranking way too soon, and once the battery has gotten to that point, its life degrades from there and only gets worse.

The 12.5:1 CR requires some good cranking amps to overcome..

guysmiley · 12-13-2013, 09:45 AM

+1 on the battery being the likely culprit - start there, easiest fix, 95% likely your problem.

Poodles · 12-14-2013, 02:50 AM

Have to deal with this stuff all the time at work.

Amps and capacity are different. You can have a very tiny battery with a crazy amount of amps, but very little capacity (Those tiny Odyssey batteries come to mind). These cars appear to have a pretty small capacity battery in them to begin with.

After that, you have it sitting for quite a while, and modern cars do have power drains (alarm, clock, ECU, etc).

Now add to that being cold (less amps) and simply temperature changes causing the charge to degrade, and yeah, it's not going to start.

Just because the battery is low on charge, doesn't mean it's bad! Just charge it and go. Running the battery down to nothing (leaving the lights on overnight, etc) can damage the battery, but as you had over 12 volts, it sounds like it's fine.

B_Rad · 12-28-2013, 04:21 PM

Updated see first post!

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12-10-2013, 08:27 AM	#16
B_Rad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S/Raven Black/6 sp mt Location: Brownsburg, IN Posts: 113 Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Gonna put a different battery in it today after work. Pretty sure you are all right. It was dead and I pulled it and gave it a charge. For the mods I am on Airlift airstruts. Which after some reading last night is known to pull a small amount of voltage when off, and they recommend putting a trickle charger if your car is going to sit for an extended periord of time. The battery doesn't have enough amps to kick the compressors on now either. Planned on upgraded the factory battery this spring anyway so I guess it will just be sooner now.

12-12-2013, 08:33 AM	#17
B_Rad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S/Raven Black/6 sp mt Location: Brownsburg, IN Posts: 113 Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Nope no click, been super busy with work and have been unable to get the battery load tested. I was going to use the battery out of my xb to try and start it but some a-hole engineer decided to put a battery with the positve on the right side of the battery. Which makes it backwards to all the batteies I currently have.

12-12-2013, 08:41 AM	#18
kask2_6.0 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ Location: San Diego Posts: 724 Thanks: 229 Thanked 512 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Like everyone else said put a battery charger on it or jump start it with another vehicle to verify if that's the problem. If that doesn't do it try tapping on the starter with a screwdriver while somebody tries to start it. Pretty unlikely on a new car but its possible for the starter to get stuck and tapping on it will free it up.

12-12-2013, 10:32 AM	#19
Mikem53 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: FR-S 6MT Location: Somewhere in Space Posts: 1,565 Thanks: 500 Thanked 882 Times in 433 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sitting for weeks.. Well jump the thing and it will start..

12-12-2013, 11:16 AM	#20
frslee Just drive it Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 13' FR-S Location: Maryland Posts: 1,122 Thanks: 97 Thanked 321 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	your youtube clip's title makes our car look bad... Did you try jump start?

12-13-2013, 09:45 AM	#26
guysmiley Sideways and Smiling Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: NC Posts: 13 Thanks: 2 Thanked 15 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	+1 on the battery being the likely culprit - start there, easiest fix, 95% likely your problem.

12-14-2013, 02:50 AM	#27
Poodles Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2015 Series.Blue Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,781 Thanks: 88 Thanked 781 Times in 481 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Have to deal with this stuff all the time at work. Amps and capacity are different. You can have a very tiny battery with a crazy amount of amps, but very little capacity (Those tiny Odyssey batteries come to mind). These cars appear to have a pretty small capacity battery in them to begin with. After that, you have it sitting for quite a while, and modern cars do have power drains (alarm, clock, ECU, etc). Now add to that being cold (less amps) and simply temperature changes causing the charge to degrade, and yeah, it's not going to start. Just because the battery is low on charge, doesn't mean it's bad! Just charge it and go. Running the battery down to nothing (leaving the lights on overnight, etc) can damage the battery, but as you had over 12 volts, it sounds like it's fine.

12-28-2013, 04:21 PM	#28
B_Rad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S/Raven Black/6 sp mt Location: Brownsburg, IN Posts: 113 Thanks: 24 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Updated see first post!

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