2016 FR-S vs 2016 MX-5 Coupe

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

Up to over 27k. That is like no car for the money. I figured $16-$22k new but I guess not

its a little weird that you would think that. what made you think the frs is 10k more car than the miata? imo, the miata is the most fun per dollar you can really get.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by fatoni

its a little weird that you would think that. what made you think the frs is 10k more car than the miata? imo, the miata is the most fun per dollar you can really get.

It's even smaller. Less efficient. Less hp/lb. And looks worse. Ide lower the frs about 2 grand to start but that would be about it. Miata starting at around 18-19 but couldn't justify more than that new especially with the twins on the streets now. Why anyone would get a new miata over a new FRS/BRZ nowadays is a mystery to me.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

It's even smaller. Less efficient. Less hp/lb. And looks worse. Ide lower the frs about 2 grand to start but that would be about it. Miata starting at around 18-19 but couldn't justify more than that new especially with the twins on the streets now. Why anyone would get a new miata over a new FRS/BRZ nowadays is a mystery to me.

thats not really a complete way to look at things dont you think? i could just as easily say the miata is 300 lbs lighter, has double wishbones, convertible, more willing to rev and is arguably more fun. by the qualifying conditions you used, the genesis, mustang, z, cayman ect are better cars than the frs. why anybody would get a frs over those must be a mystery to you too.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not really a complete way to look at things dont you think? i could just as easily say the miata is 300 lbs lighter, has double wishbones, convertible, more willing to rev and is arguably more fun. by the qualifying conditions you used, the genesis, mustang, z, cayman ect are better cars than the frs. why anybody would get a frs over those must be a mystery to you too.

No it doesn't it has a 7200 redline and the frs has a 7400. Lower center of gravity trumps all. Win.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

No it doesn't it has a 7200 redline and the frs has a 7400. Lower center of gravity trumps all. Win.

okay well redline and willingness to rev are not the same so i dont really know what to say about that. lower center of gravity means next to nothing by itself. also, i would love to hear what the cog of the new miata is. my 90 miata has a lower cog and so does every corvette for the last 30 years. even if the cog for the frs was as impressive as you make it seem, it most certainly doesnt trump all. i, for one, would take the 300lb weight reduction the miata has.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by fatoni

okay well redline and willingness to rev are not the same so i dont really know what to say about that. lower center of gravity means next to nothing by itself. also, i would love to hear what the cog of the new miata is. my 90 miata has a lower cog and so does every corvette for the last 30 years. even if the cog for the frs was as impressive as you make it seem, it most certainly doesnt trump all. i, for one, would take the 300lb weight reduction the miata has.

There were no quantitative measurements in that post whatsoever and why do you have a post count of nearly 3000 if you're so anti-86 platform. Just leave.

[Be-Are-Zee]

FYI Rotary Development is more or less dead.

Source - CEO of Mazda

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

There were no quantitative measurements in that post whatsoever and why do you have a post count of nearly 3000 if you're so anti-86 platform. Just leave.

im not anti frs. you want quantitative data and the frs is worse than just about every other sports car when you look at things that way. its a horrible way to make an argument for the frs. thinking the frs is 10k more car than the miata shows that you dont know much about the frs, dont know much about the miata or just dont know much about cars in general. things like convertible tops and double a arm suspension add significantly to price. what about the frs is 10k more valuable?

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not anti frs. you want quantitative data and the frs is worse than just about every other sports car when you look at things that way. its a horrible way to make an argument for the frs. thinking the frs is 10k more car than the miata shows that you dont know much about the frs, dont know much about the miata or just dont know much about cars in general. things like convertible tops and double a arm suspension add significantly to price. what about the frs is 10k more valuable?

How is 28mpg, boxer engine, 2700lbs, made by Toyota, and a center of gravity 18 inches off the ground worse than every other car up there? It got named sports car of the year last year for a reason you troll. It's revolutionary. And It's actually worth a second glance when parked unlike your forgetable (and laughable even) miata.

[jdcorbitt3]

I have been a Mazda enthusiast since 1985. I have had an RX-7, RX-8 or MX-5 since then until I bought the Subaru manufactured FR-S. After 6 months with the FR-S, I can see a difference in build quality between the Miata and FR-S. The suspension is better in the Miata. The drivetrain is better in the Miata as well. The Styling in the FR-S ranks almost as high to me as the NSX. I had one of those as well. Since I weigh very heavily on engineering and build quality, I am seriously considering going back to the Miata. My economic situation doesn't allow me to have both, otherwise I would have them both.

Neither of these cars is to be frowned on. They are both a lot of bang for the buck.

John

[Be-Are-Zee]

I love Mazda. But the miata screams chick car to me from its styling. I just can't seem to fall in love with it.

The RX-8 on the other hand. Well I wish I never sold my R3.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Be-Are-Zee

I love Mazda. But the miata screams chick car to me from its styling. I just can't seem to fall in love with it.

The RX-8 on the other hand. Well I wish I never sold my R3.

Mazda will be so disappointed since they styled it after the first Lotus Elan.

If you've ever driven one of those quickly you'd know it wasn't exactly a chick car, though Emma Peel looked good on one...wait a tic, Emma Peel looked good in anything, too bad we never saw her in nothing.

M Appeal? Get it? Those Brits with their sly sense of humour eh. M Appeal and her side kick John Steed, hung like a ? Maybe?

[red bread]

Coming from other car forums, it's funny to see Twin drivers calling a Miata a chick car. Plenty of folks disparage the Twins for being feminine and a less than stellar performance deal.

I love it, enjoyed my test drive and have been waiting for an STI version, but would be perfectly happy with a current one. It reminds me very much of my previous Miata. Thinking that it's somehow different or superior is just silly though.

If Mazda gets the ND right, at around 2,200 pounds, somewhere north of 160 hp and continues to have the massive track support, I may just wait myself right out of the Twins and back into another Miata.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

How is 28mpg, boxer engine, 2700lbs, made by Toyota, and a center of gravity 18 inches off the ground worse than every other car up there? It got named sports car of the year last year for a reason you troll. It's revolutionary. And It's actually worth a second glance when parked unlike your forgetable (and laughable even) miata.

That's "partly designed by Toyota, built by Subaru."

The GT-86, FR-S, and BRZ are ALL manufactured in Subaru's main Gunma plant.