FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't think so. More like 8:20 he said in the video. The ring also had other cars on it at the time of the test.

nice video

it would have been 9 minutes if it wasn't for a russian guy driving

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I am not defending the GC. I am calling it like I see it. You are the one that's defending the FR-S. You damn well know both cars share the same amount of parts with a sedan counterpart. I have been following the FRS/GC before both went on sale so I heard everything that Subaru said that they did with the FRS/BRZ.

The GC and the sedan doesn't share the same interior,exterior,suspension tuning. But they share almost the same platform and V6 engine with different tunes. Doesn't all of that ring a bell with the FR-S?

The BRZ doesnt share even the same shape as the impreza nevermind interior, exterior, or suspension. Although many parts will be shared as is the subaru way, which is a good thing. But the difference between this car and the GC is that the entire frame and body structure is different than the impreza, how can you logically say they are at the same level of production relations, I still dont get it?

The BRZ shares parts with the impreza but is a much different model.
The GC shares its model with the genesis but has different parts.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I had a feeling you were gonna say some gay shit sooner or later. Go troll elsewhere.

I'm not trolling, I'm being quite serious. And What's gay about that statement? You have some issues you are dealing with perhaps?

The cars development is finished. We know what we are getting, it makes no sense to piss and moan. You've made it clear what you want and that you like the genesis, why not just stop bagging on the power difference and go line up to buy a fucking gen coupe?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

I know right? I wish everyone would just see a car for what it is and not what logo is sitting on the front of it.

Matador, this is a comparison thread. Why would you tell him to go buy the Genesis and stop wasting time when all he's doing is playing Devil's advocate? How are you supposed to have a decent comparison thread without someone playing devil's advocate? You can't, it would just be a thread explaining why the FT86/FRS/BRZ is better than the GC.

There is a sound difference between making a valid comparison and just being an ass. I've watched the site go from potentially being something very cool, to a total and complete bitchfest, compounded by the same old tired argument, over and over again. That's all.

I actually do like the genesis coupe quite a lot. I just think it's too fat. Well, that and the 2013 model has a face only a mother could love..... Anyway I think people will end up comparing and cross shopping them, but people who ultimately drive the Zx6 and ultimately "get it" will buy it.

From a tuners perspective, adding power to an FR-S/BRZ will be probably be more effective that subtracting weight from the GC, at least if you want to keep it civilized looking and steetable. They are really two different answers to what amounts to the same question. Neither are "wrong" but you will have people who will give an A+ to one answer and an F to the other. What else needs to be said?

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

The more you post, the more I dislike you.

Obviously not. Did I say it was a direct competitor? Christ man.

Hell I don't like you either man. I like girls.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by chulooz

The BRZ doesnt share even the same shape as the impreza nevermind interior, exterior, or suspension. Although many parts will be shared as is the subaru way, which is a good thing. But the difference between this car and the GC is that the entire frame and body structure is different than the impreza, how can you logically say they are at the same level of production relations, I still dont get it?

The BRZ shares parts with the impreza but is a much different model.
The GC shares its model with the genesis but has different parts.

All of these points the GC shares too.

The GC is 182 inches long. The sedan is 195 inches
The GC is a low slung coupe. The sedan is typical shape sedan
The GC has its own $20k interior. The sedan has a upscale Lexus fighting interior
The GC suspension is geared towards sportyness. The sedan luxury


Do you remember the first mule for the FT86? It was a shortened Impreza frankenstein. The BRZ platform is from the Impreza. How long have you been following this car? You seem new at it or you're just in denial about it. If this car wasn't based of the Impreza it would have been more expensive. It is what it is.

[maxeveland]

now that the base price og the gc has come out at $25k I will be taking that off my list; still considering a 2012 version though

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Matador

There is a sound difference between making a valid comparison and just being an ass. I've watched the site go from potentially being something very cool, to a total and complete bitchfest, compounded by the same old tired argument, over and over again. That's all.

I actually do like the genesis coupe quite a lot. I just think it's too fat. Well, that and the 2013 model has a face only a mother could love..... Anyway I think people will end up comparing and cross shopping them, but people who ultimately drive the Zx6 and ultimately "get it" will buy it.

From a tuners perspective, adding power to an FR-S/BRZ will be probably be more effective that subtracting weight from the GC, at least if you want to keep it civilized looking and steetable. They are really two different answers to what amounts to the same question. Neither are "wrong" but you will have people who will give an A+ to one answer and an F to the other. What else needs to be said?

You always make it seem like I favor cars over the FR-S but what you don't understand is that unlike you I pledge no allegiance to no brand. I know you love Toyota and think everything they do is perfect and that's why me and you always got off on the wrong foot. You have seen me say plenty of time that I like both the GC and the FRS/BRZ. I don't like one more than the other since they both have qualities I like and dislike. I believe you guys would like me a lot better if I just only liked the FR-S but I could'nt care less because I'm just here for the car and this is a debate thread.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Matador

There is a sound difference between making a valid comparison and just being an ass. I've watched the site go from potentially being something very cool, to a total and complete bitchfest, compounded by the same old tired argument, over and over again. That's all.

Originally Posted by Matador

The cars development is finished. We know what we are getting, it makes no sense to piss and moan.

Invariably forums attract people with lots of free time who enjoy making endlessly repetitive arguments that add little or no value to the discussion.

But ft86club produces a plethora of useful information (and is by far the best FT86 site). These are the early stages of a new platform that I think will take off, and this community will expand along with it... once the car is released, this site will be an invaluable resource for owners regarding news, TSBs, mods, maintenance, general tips, meets, etc. Some petty bickering in a "versus" sub-forum won't detract from that.

If the static is getting to be too much, just add the driftwood users making all the worthless noise to your Ignore list.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Deslock

Invariably forums attract people with lots of free time who enjoy making endlessly repetitive arguments that add little or no value to the discussion.

But ft86club produces a plethora of useful information (and is by far the best FT86 site). These are the early stages of a new platform that I think will take off, and this community will expand along with it... once the car is released, this site will be an invaluable resource for owners regarding news, TSBs, mods, maintenance, general tips, meets, etc. Some petty bickering in a "versus" sub-forum won't detract from that.

If the static is getting to be too much, just add the driftwood users making all the worthless noise to your Ignore list.

I totally agree with this statement.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by chulooz

The BRZ doesnt share even the same shape as the impreza nevermind interior, exterior, or suspension. Although many parts will be shared as is the subaru way, which is a good thing. But the difference between this car and the GC is that the entire frame and body structure is different than the impreza, how can you logically say they are at the same level of production relations, I still dont get it?

The BRZ shares parts with the impreza but is a much different model.
The GC shares its model with the genesis but has different parts.

You are way off on your assessment. You should read up more on the GC and the BRZ. Comparison of BRZ to Impreza is just as valid as GC to the sedan. Don't understand why you have an issue with this?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

You always make it seem like I favor cars over the FR-S but what you don't understand is that unlike you I pledge no allegiance to no brand. I know you love Toyota and think everything they do is perfect and that's why me and you always got off on the wrong foot. You have seen me say plenty of time that I like both the GC and the FRS/BRZ. I don't like one more than the other since they both have qualities I like and dislike. I believe you guys would like me a lot better if I just only liked the FR-S but I could'nt care less because I'm just here for the car and this is a debate thread.

You must be delusional. Yes I have owed multiple cars from Toyota brands. Right now I also own a Nissan and a Honda. Next on the list, and probably before the 86 will be a BMW. I also like Fords and V-dubs. My fav sports cars are Lotii and Porsches. I do have a soft spot for Toyota but I'm not a brand lover, I'm a gear head. I defend Toyota because I think they are given a lot of shit, and unreasonably so. It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Especially for a company that has contributed so much the racing and motorsport world (an area I hold close to my heart).

I don't care what you like or don't like. I don't know you and I don't need to like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I have a very broad taste in cars, so I can appreciate them in lots of aspects. I understand you wish the FR-S was turbo's and had more power and blah blah blah. Cool. I would get a turbo version too. In fact, I'd probably attempt to by one of each frikken variant, bank account be damned. But People are already bemoaning how expensive it's going to be. Add turbo hardware and how much do you think it would end up costing? Especially if it had to weigh an at the same curb weight. I do believe there will eventually be a factory turbo FR-S/BRZ. I'm also pretty sure that it will cross the $30k line. Sure... a lot of avg folks would talk about it, but would it sell? You can't get everything for nothing. The package Toyota is offering will do more for the industry and aftermarket (maybe that is making me biased?) than the Genesis ever could. Bring fun back to driving for Joe Blow. Light and cheap. I like it. And I say this to you sitting here after having completed a build on a ~350hp old school rwd that makes the FR-S look chunky by comparison.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Matador

You must be delusional. Yes I have owed multiple cars from Toyota brands. Right now I also own a Nissan and a Honda. Next on the list, and probably before the 86 will be a BMW. I also like Fords and V-dubs. My fav sports cars are Lotii and Porsches. I do have a soft spot for Toyota but I'm not a brand lover, I'm a gear head. I defend Toyota because I think they are given a lot of shit, and unreasonably so. It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Especially for a company that has contributed so much the racing and motorsport world (an area I hold close to my heart).

I don't care what you like or don't like. I don't know you and I don't need to like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I have a very broad taste in cars, so I can appreciate them in lots of aspects. I understand you wish the FR-S was turbo's and had more power and blah blah blah. Cool. I would get a turbo version too. In fact, I'd probably attempt to by one of each frikken variant, bank account be damned. But People are already bemoaning how expensive it's going to be. Add turbo hardware and how much do you think it would end up costing? Especially if it had to weigh an at the same curb weight. I do believe there will eventually be a factory turbo FR-S/BRZ. I'm also pretty sure that it will cross the $30k line. Sure... a lot of avg folks would talk about it, but would it sell? You can't get everything for nothing. The package Toyota is offering will do more for the industry and aftermarket (maybe that is making me biased?) than the Genesis ever could. Bring fun back to driving for Joe Blow. Light and cheap. I like it. And I say this to you sitting here after having completed a build on a ~350hp old school rwd that makes the FR-S look chunky by comparison.

This is where you screwed up Matador. Ask anybody who have seen my posts. I don't like TURBO's!!! I only ever said that I would like a "FA25" engine in the FR-S and that I think it would be perfect like that. I was only being positively critical about it. You even said you wished the GC was 400 lbs lighter and I totally agree with you because you was being the same way I was with the FA25 idea. We both have opinions that makes sense about both cars. But it doesn't mean that I am trolling because I say I would like a FA25. I think a 300hp+ turbo engine would ruin this car like others have asked for.

[Dave-ROR]

Sub: Just admit the GC sucks donkey balls.

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J/K the old one did suck IMO as a drivers car but I won't speak ill of the new one.. until I drive it