Throwing the gauntlet down. Gran Turismo or Forza?

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by Dimman

What was the embarrassment? It underwhelmed with the premium cars and took too long, but the driving was still superior, and they made the Mk3 7M Supra premium.

Superior driving physics > not enough high res cars.

Forza letting me upgrade the driveshaft of a FWD car is absolutely unforgivable, and a better application of the word 'embarrassment'.

The driving physics are indeed good, but the GAME is awful. If all I wanted was a driving sim, I would do it on PC. If I want a game to entertain me, I will play Forza. I've played a lot of Gran Turismo. Probably four-digit-hours worth of play time between eight titles (three intermediary titles). GT5 sucked the fun out of actually playing it and gave me a sparse, empty-feeling, grind-fest that felt more like work than an actual game. And that's in addition to taking six damn years and having 80% of their cars ported over from decade-old PS2 models that look so awful they aren't even worth getting in-game. And the AI was stuck in the mid 90s, and the engine sounds were still like digital vacuum cleaners, and they still didn't have damage modeling, and it was still nearly impossible to roll a car.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

The driving physics are indeed good, but the GAME is awful. If all I wanted was a driving sim, I would do it on PC. If I want a game to entertain me, I will play Forza. I've played a lot of Gran Turismo. Probably four-digit-hours worth of play time between eight titles (three intermediary titles). GT5 sucked the fun out of actually playing it and gave me a sparse, empty-feeling, grind-fest that felt more like work than an actual game. And that's in addition to taking six damn years and having 80% of their cars ported over from decade-old PS2 models that look so awful they aren't even worth getting in-game. And the AI was stuck in the mid 90s, and the engine sounds were still like digital vacuum cleaners, and they still didn't have damage modeling, and it was still nearly impossible to roll a car.

Agree that the lack of Premium cars for the wait involved was weak. I also miss the map type navigation (which they put in as an animation/screen saver only).

But it still drives better.

I prefer to take mildly modified stock cars onto real world tracks (that I may be able to get on eventually) and time attack. For this, a wide selection of car (even if GT4 models, because I realistically expect to do some track time at Fuji and may only be able to rent some kei car), most accurate real-world tracks, and the best driving physics off of a big dollar gaming PC are what matter.

Truthfully, I really did enjoy Forza's appearance customization, but once my car was pretty I'd switch to the PS3 for driving. If I wanted to drive like a knob and hoon all over the place to, err... 'exciting' physics there was GTA or NFS.

Also GT5 ripping off Forza's experience point system was stupid.

I guess I do agree with you that as an overall game it may be a bit weak, but because it meets the requirements of being an affordable simulator, which is a priority for GT, calling it an embarrassment is way too excessive.

It ticks the boxes I need for a more serious experience.

Forza, to me, tries to straddle GT's driving realism and NFS's excitement and customization. It doesn't match either one, but in a single game it does both not too bad. But to a player that requires the better driving and accurate tracks, Forza is not sufficient.

Conversely, a player that is addicted to achievements dictated by the game, rather than personal recognition of a good clean drive on proper physics and accurate tracks, and wants their car to be exactly how they imagine it, as well as drives in an 'exciting' manner where the car is rolling itself to destruction, well GT5 is not for them.

[Rampage]

Yep. If I want to make my car all pretty I would play Forza. If I want to drive then I play GT or iRacing. GT is just easier because the cockpit is always hooked up so it is just sit and go. For iRacing I have to unplug and plug in a bunch of stuff to hook the cockpit to the computer so usually I do not bother. I guess I just like to drive more than play a game. In the winter time, the cockpit is as close as I can get to driving on track.

[rice_classic]

With GT6 and F5 launching at the same time, I'm really surprised that Polyphony Digital didn't make the game for PS4, or that Sony didn't 'motivate' them to do so. Isn't the point to sell more of the new console?

But what do I know, that whole industry is rather foreign to me. I just play the damn things.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Forza letting me upgrade the driveshaft of a FWD car is absolutely unforgivable, and a better application of the word 'embarrassment'.

Yeah, that's stupid. It should be driveshaft(s) since FWD cars have two of them.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Yeah, that's stupid. It should be driveshaft(s) since FWD cars have two of them.

Axles. Nice try, Forza.




Heh...

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

With GT6 and F5 launching at the same time, I'm really surprised that Polyphony Digital didn't make the game for PS4, or that Sony didn't 'motivate' them to do so. Isn't the point to sell more of the new console?

But what do I know, that whole industry is rather foreign to me. I just play the damn things.

Bigger ps3 install base & the wheels work. Until patched, the ps4 isn't compatible with aftermarket USB accessories.

And if we couldn't use our ps3 - compatible wheels, we'd be as screwed as all those forza 5 folks stuck using a controller to imitate a virtual wheel (no thanks).

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[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Axles. Nice try, Forza.

Is this your first rodeo with English, Turismo?

Axles are driveshafts.

Merriam-Webster:
drive·shaft

noun \ˈdrīv-ˌshaft\ : a part of a vehicle that carries power from the gears to the wheels




Wikipedia:
"Front-wheel drive

In British English, the term "drive shaft" is restricted to a transverse shaft that transmits power to the wheels, especially the front wheels. A drive shaft connecting the gearbox to a rear differential is called a propeller shaft, or prop-shaft. A prop-shaft assembly consists of a propeller shaft, a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_joint"]Slip joint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] and one or more [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_joint"]Universal joint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]. "

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Marchy

so i played forza 5 last night. All i can say is it makes forza 4 look and feel like a complete and utter turd. Its so much better i don't even want to play forza 4 anymore. GT6 has a large shoe to fill if it wants to compete, looking forward to seeing what it going to offer.

ORLY? Hm. In any case, I still say no point in getting a launch console aside from being the cool kid on the block. I will wait for hardware revisions.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I still say no point in getting a launch console aside from being the cool kid on the block. I will wait for hardware revisions.

I got a chuckle out of this because, while I agree, many of us, including myself, are driving around in the automotive equivalent of a "launch console".

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I got a chuckle out of this because, while I agree, many of us, including myself, are driving around in the automotive equivalent of a "launch console".

Myself as well. It's never worth it, but in that case, I did want to be the first kid on the block with the new toy.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Is this your first rodeo with English, Turismo?

Axles are driveshafts.

Merriam-Webster:
drive·shaft

noun \ˈdrīv-ˌshaft\ : a part of a vehicle that carries power from the gears to the wheels




Wikipedia:
"Front-wheel drive

In British English, the term "drive shaft" is restricted to a transverse shaft that transmits power to the wheels, especially the front wheels. A drive shaft connecting the gearbox to a rear differential is called a propeller shaft, or prop-shaft. A prop-shaft assembly consists of a propeller shaft, a Slip joint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and one or more Universal joint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. "

Common usage, Forza. Strike two.

[GTHachiRoku]

Forza 5 is pretty amazing. It's been hard putting the controller down since I got it at midnight Thursday. I can't wait to try it out with a racing wheel. Even still, it's a lot of fun with the controller. Of course my first car was the GT86

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Common usage, Forza. Strike two.

In a FWD scenario, "driveshaft" is the common usage, so common in fact it was used in Forza. Strike two Turismo.