Baer BBK Installed

[tech4pdx]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Well that escalated quickly

It's embarrassing to be on a forum about an awesome chassis and people are arguing about whose wheels are better. I hope nobody in here with their $3000 wheels sees me shopping at Marshall's or Sears. Wouldn't want my head rolled for being 'ghetto'.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by diss7

They don't have to be more expensive. In the last 3 months I've bought the following
17x7.5 se37k for $800
17x7.5 te37 for $1000
17x8 se37k for $950
16x7 SSR Type C for $650

As for being functionally the same, they absolutely are not. All the above rims are strong, and are 15lbs or less. The SSR's are 12lbs.

Show me a rota (or other fake wheel) that is forged and 15lbs.

I paid a lot more for my Meisters. But I don't see that I'm a sucker for doing so. They're custom made. Come with a 3 year warranty.

You're the sucker for believing they are functionally the same.

are those prices new or used? because comparing your used prices to a "fake" wheels new price isnt really fair. also, there are plenty of cheap wheels that are build to perform. the kosei k4r, mach v awesome, and enkei rpf01 are all more likely to be found on a track car than the ones you listed. the kosei and enkei are can be had under 15 lbs and they all offer better sizes which is feel is significantly more important than your arbitrary weight limit.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I bet that you'd notice if you educated yourself in what to look for. Just how a BBK that reduces weight will also be noticeable.

are you talking about the 20lbs you drop when going to that bbk you have?
a couple pounds from a wheel might make a subjective difference any difference objectively will be smaller than the margin of error. at least thats all ive ever seen. in fact, the only test ive ever seen showed the heavier rim being faster on the same day, same tire, same size, same offset, same professional driver.

[ZionsWrath]

Just tell them you aint bout dat lyfe yo. and put on your stunner shades you got from the $0.50 vending machine

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

It's embarrassing to be on a forum about an awesome chassis and people are arguing about whose wheels are better. I hope nobody in here with their $3000 wheels sees me shopping at Marshall's or Sears. Wouldn't want my head rolled for being 'ghetto'.

Awww shit man! You're makin' the Wal-Mart people jealous up in here.

[umpadupa]

Hey Diss7 go search a thread about how much better rays/volks are better then rotas. GTFO

we are here because of OPs Brakes, and they look hella good.

Any specs on these yet? Baer usually makes domestic no?

PS: I run XXRs because they are cheap and its awesome for daily, dont care if they get dinged from stupid road work or rock chips. Are u telling me if i run a subpar brand like RPF01 vs ur AMAZING Works that ill die? fat chance buddy Not everyone tracks their cars. dont push ur "assumptions" on everyone here.

EDIT: http://www.baer.com/shop/ymm/2013/sc...20-21254460955

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by umpadupa

PS: I run XXRs because they are cheap and its awesome for daily, dont care if they get dinged from stupid road work or rock chips. Are u telling me if i run a subpar brand like RPF01 vs ur AMAZING Works that ill die? fat chance buddy Not everyone tracks their cars. dont push ur "assumptions" on everyone here.

I bet if you switched to Enkei RPF1, you'd notice a MPG increase for daily driving. They don't cost must more than XXR too...

The funny part, is that your exact same reason is used on the other end too. Guys that track on replica wheels justify it by saying they don't want to risk damage on the track, so they track on replica wheels and DD on their real wheels...

[utekineir]

i like my rpf1, light, strong, not terribly ugly, got set for 600 on cl with tires that had some life

common enough that if i scrap one a replacement is no worse than a tire rack order away.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by utekineir

i like my rpf1, light, strong, not terribly ugly, got set for 600 on cl with tires that had some life

common enough that if i scrap one a replacement is no worse than a tire rack order away.

Precisely!

On a side note, we offer a pretty deep discount for replacement wheels for guys that manage to damage a wheel so badly that they can't repair it...

[umpadupa]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I bet if you switched to Enkei RPF1, you'd notice a MPG increase for daily driving. They don't cost must more than XXR too...

The funny part, is that your exact same reason is used on the other end too. Guys that track on replica wheels justify it by saying they don't want to risk damage on the track, so they track on replica wheels and DD on their real wheels...

I do have a set of rpf01, that's y I'm using it as an example. And I do track it because that honestly when I have the highest chance of blowing up a rim when getting off track

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by umpadupa

I do have a set of rpf01, that's y I'm using it as an example. And I do track it because that honestly when I have the highest chance of blowing up a rim when getting off track

I've had my share of offs, and I've never bent any of the volks/bbs I've driven on. Ironically, the RPF1 is the only rim I've ever significantly damaged, but I've seen a ton of shattered replica rims.


This argument carries over to brakes too, which is why CSG selected an AP Racing setup for our car. I'm a firm believer of established/proven quality. I'm not familiar with Baer systems at all, so I can't really say.

[umpadupa]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I've had my share of offs, and I've never bent any of the volks/bbs I've driven on. Ironically, the RPF1 is the only rim I've ever significantly damaged, but I've seen a ton of shattered replica rims.


This argument carries over to brakes too, which is why CSG selected an AP Racing setup for our car. I'm a firm believer of established/proven quality. I'm not familiar with Baer systems at all, so I can't really say.

I've only seen Baer systems on old school muscles and domestics. There is no info on the link I posted that states what kind of caliper and how it's made. Waiting for testing results... Maybe a Ap vs Baer???? :3

[AZFA20]

WOW! First off, way to bring an old thread back to life and then completely belittle it to death over something completely off topic from the original intent of showing others there are more options out there for brakes.

Honestly, your ranting about wheels is annoying. Take it to a thread of your own if you want to preach about wheel selection. I agree there are good wheels and there are bad wheels BUT as someone else mentioned this happens to be only one set of MANY wheels I own. These ones look great on the car and truthfully have been punished more than any typical person would put them through without any failure of any kind to the wheels themselves. When I initially seasoned the rotors I forgot to take the center caps off and had these wheels on for that process. I ended up tossing em off the wheels while running through heat cycles into the weeds on the side of the road. Even the best of the wheels in the world will toss center caps through a heat cycling. Hence the reason most tracks require you remove your center caps to avoid stuff on the track.

Blabbing on and on about Americans and their spending was hilarious to me because here you are knocking on my car and its wheels when clearly I have had NO problem spending money on it and coincidentally I pay CASH for everything!! INCLUDING THE CAR!!!! So don't come at me in my thread about cheaping out on anything or how Americans do business. Me personally, I don't get scared when I see a failure of a product on the interwebs because I don't live in world of hysteria based on internet tales. More times than not there is more to the story and as long as I have been in this business that is what usually surfaces rather than certain products being deemed garbage by a few snobs who have NEVER proven a failure themselves. Does this mean I don't know when to use certain products over others? Absolutely not but I also know that cruising around on $4k+ true racing wheels on a daily basis is not something I need, nor want to do. When I go to the track other wheels and tires are put on but even then I have tracked these and what do you know I am still alive.......

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

Originally Posted by swift996

Who cares? It's not an expensive car.

Anyways, about the brakes...any specs?

What specs and information do you guys need? I have been using Baer products for over a decade and I live right down the street from them so whatever specs you need I either know it or I can get. It may be easier to just call them. Ask for Rick

Originally Posted by Enraged21

@AZFA20 Ground Control coilovers? Also are those 17s or 18s?

GroundControl = Yes, full system with Koni yellows and their endlinks.

18x8.5 front, 18x9.5 rear

Originally Posted by umpadupa

Hey Diss7 go search a thread about how much better rays/volks are better then rotas. GTFO

we are here because of OPs Brakes, and they look hella good.

Any specs on these yet? Baer usually makes domestic no?

Yes, typically domestic but that's where I came from was the domestic aftermarket and the very reason I sought Baer out. It was because of my use of them on many builds I have done in the past along with personal vehicles that I have used them on with great experience both daily and on the track. They are local to me here in AZ and I enjoy supporting local when I can. Making a decision on brakes for this car was no easy task though because there are a bunch a really good offerings out there for those in tune with brake modification. This happens to be what I ultimately went with and as expected zero regrets.

Originally Posted by Touge Factory

Nice color!

I wish the pictures did the color justice because they just don't. The new processes Baer is using for some of their more unique custom colors is amazing looking in person and especially in the sun. These are no different and again the pictures look good but in person they are something that really pops. I wish I were a photographer because I imagine I could capture what they really look like if I were. Their new Copper color is equally amazing. They have a purple color that is just outrageous but you would need a car that can pull the purple off.


Sorry if I missed anyone.......

[swift996]

Rotor diameter
Rotor width
Pad area
4 piston?

Thanks

[AZFA20]

Originally Posted by swift996

Rotor diameter
Rotor width
Pad area
4 piston?

Thanks

Rotor Width = 14"x1.150" (Front), 13"x0.810" (Rear)

Pad Area = Fronts are 7.23"x2.48" C5 corvette pads so you can get them in basically ANY friction material you can imagine. Rears are standard 4-piston pads but I am still searching for the surface area specs. I should have them by tomorrow.

UPDATE rear pads are 3.96"x2.58" and once again VERY common pads that can be purchased in any number of friction compounds.

FMSI reference numbers are as follows for pads if you want to look at the endless options out there for them:

Front = D0731
Rear = DR1 (formerly D1232)

Calipers = Fronts are 6-piston forged 2-piece aluminum calipers. (D.O.T. approved w/ dust seals which are great for those daily driving their cars). Rears are 4-piston forged 2-piece aluminum calipers. (Again D.O.T. approved w/ dust seals). Both calipers use stainless pistons. All the fluid is internal to the calipers. There are no external lines. There is more to these calipers (All pros) but they are one of my favorite offerings Baer has made other than the 6S series.

Weight = I weighed my system and the Baers were just under 1 lb. lighter than stock. This was brake lines and everything so the systems TOTAL weight vs stock systems TOTAL weight.

Hope this helps