ICBC, excessive speeding, 7day impoundment questions? anyone know?

[Pbrown]

Originally Posted by Slick

Haha, well put Paul.
I lol'd (inside joke, LETRIP is my plate #)

Good eye Andre. Was wondering if you would catch it.LOL

[KkSc]

what an idiot!

[Mr.Jay]

was reading this on RS and dude we live in one of the most anal places for speeding so you had it coming... I've been impounded as well so I do know the feel.

However I was going to say how much longer until you can get your full licenses? If its not too long you can dispute cause it takes awhile before it will go through the system in which case if you have a full class 5 by then you won't be losing it

[brianc]

from what I know in vancouver speeding doesnt effect insurance premiums correct?

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by KEL-BRZ

speeding and driving dangerous are different things. there is a time and place as most say.

in my opinion a wide open lane on a hwy in good conditions the speed I was going was not unsafe.. I uderstand others may view it differently but we ll have the right to our own opinion.

yes except that your opinion is illegal

and you got caught and fined for expressing it.

Here in Ontario, speeding above 50km/h gets your licence suspended, car impounded, and a fine of up to $10,000.00

so while i personally don't see anything wrong with people jetting 150km on the 401 (assuming the conditions are right), i myself will no longer even attempt to come close because the penalty is just too high.

You have two options when it comes to LAWS

you either obey them or you break them

if you break them you face the consequences and you don't bitch like a little girl on the internet

[DoomsdayJesus]

Why would you not contest it? I contest EVERY ticket whether I'm guilty or not. Saves me money and in your case, a license you just said you need for your job. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Also, there's always the chance they just let you plead out to a lesser charge. You really have nothing to lose by contesting.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

Why would you not contest it? I contest EVERY ticket whether I'm guilty or not. Saves me money and in your case, a license you just said you need for your job. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Also, there's always the chance they just let you plead out to a lesser charge. You really have nothing to lose by contesting.

you either don't work during the day

live close to the court house

or somehow never pay parking

cuz otherwise i don't see how fighting most tickets saves you money.

you're also wasting tax payer dollars by contesting a guilty charge while hoping for sympathy, good job!

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by brianc

from what I know in vancouver speeding doesnt effect insurance premiums correct?

In BC it does.

you end up paying a extra $300 a year for 3 years before the points go away

[DoomsdayJesus]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

you either don't work during the day

live close to the court house

or somehow never pay parking

cuz otherwise i don't see how fighting most tickets saves you money.

you're also wasting tax payer dollars by contesting a guilty charge while hoping for sympathy, good job!

1) I don't have an issue with taking a few hours off work to go to the county courthouse, or I can schedule a court date on a day I'm off.

2) It was 20 miles away on the last ticket I got a deferment on. And I've only had one in the last 5 years.

3) Pay $2-5 dollars for parking or hundreds for a fine and impound fee . . . seems like a good ROI.

Also, I'm not wasting taxpayer dollars, I talk to a clerk, I talk to a DA, I talk to a judge, and not considering time spent waiting for my name to be called I take MAYBE 20 minutes of their time. It's not a trial in the US, it's traffic court and pretty damn efficient.

And I don't hope for sympathy, in WA we have laws that say the ticket must be filed within 5 days of the infraction, they have to provide their evidence for discovery upon request within 14 days of your hearing, and that if you've had a clean driving record you can simply ask for a deferment and if you don't get a ticket for 6 months, it drops off your record and insurance is none the wiser. And you get one deferment every 7 years. Those protections are there for a reason, as are our constitutional protections of A) facing your accuser B) Right to a speedy and fair trial/attorney. It ensures the process is fair, doesn't get dragged out, and gives you a break once in awhile.

Either way, I don't particularly agree with traffic laws, and there are multiple cases in the US where drivers have argued that the speed limit wasn't appropriate for the road and won/got the speed limit changed in one fell swoop.

If you know the law, there is absolutely no reason not to use it to your advantage. You get screwed on a regular basis by people who use it against you, mismanage their budgets, set traps/cameras/taxes to make up the difference. I have zero moral qualms with fighting a ticket based on an arbitrary and unscientific speed limit set by lawmakers and not engineers, enforced by a cop hiding on an offramp to meet his monthly quota, so long as I'm not endangering other on the road.

This guy might be another case, but you should still consult a traffic lawyer. There is no reason to grab your ankles and take it just because you feel guilty. Especially if your livelihood depends on driving. It's going to cost you either way probably, but at least look up the process for contesting it effectively or consult a lawyer. And learn your freaking lesson, stop driving like an ass, and buy a radar/laser detector for those times on long lonely roads.

[Fallen43]

I would be embarrassed just posting this shit out to the public dude u have to get ur shit in order it will haunt u later on in life unless u have the cash to bail u out of all ur problems and even then time will come that wont help u either .

Good luck in life. Wish u all the best.

[Muskokan]

Well op ain't gettin no sympathy anymore lmao

Yea after hearing you already totalled an 86, and got this one impounded days after getting it, and then you say you need your license for your job!?... Maybe this will actually teach you.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

so while i personally don't see anything wrong with people jetting 150km on the 401 (assuming the conditions are right), i myself will no longer even attempt to come close because the penalty is just too high.

This is the reason I can't stand the "stunt driving" law. I've been passed like I was stopped by OPP cars patrolling the 407 during my morning commute while going 130+ with the flow of traffic, I've even had a couple officers ride my ass until I moved out of their way at those speeds.

Is 150km/h REALLY excessive speeding when the flow of traffic is doing 140km/h? IMO excessive speeding should be based on your speed relative to the other cars on the road. Doing 120km/h when everyone else is going 90km/h is far more dangerous than doing 150km/h when everyone else is going 140km/h.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus

If you know the law, there is absolutely no reason not to use it to your advantage. You get screwed on a regular basis by people who use it against you, mismanage their budgets, set traps/cameras/taxes to make up the difference. I have zero moral qualms with fighting a ticket based on an arbitrary and unscientific speed limit set by lawmakers and not engineers, enforced by a cop hiding on an offramp to meet his monthly quota, so long as I'm not endangering other on the road.

how about running a red light, if a cop gives you a ticket for that, are you gonna fight it saying you didn't do it?

how about driving drunk, if you are caught and thrown in the tanker, are you gonna fight it and say you weren't drinking?

running through stop signs?

failing to stop for a school bus?


are you saying your morals are the same in all of these cases? Fight the ticket because you can fight it?

also, doing 20-over and 50-over.. or more, are two different things.

flying 90 in a 40km school zone is pretty reckless

most 80 zones are clear for 100, maybe even 110, but fly 130 in a typical 80 zone and again, you're starting to get reckless.

yes the speed limits are arbitrary but they are generally in a good range for the most part.


yes you are allowed to face your accusor

yes you are allowed due process

but if you actually did the crime....

[Suberman]

Speeding is in no way comparable to running a red light.

There is actually no properly done scientific study that proves any cause and effect between speeding and accident rates.

People who can't drive properly are afraid of speed. That's the majority of drivers. They shouldn't speed, but then again they really shouldn't be driving either.

Crashing at high speeds hurts a lot and makes a lot of noise. People readily believe that speeding is dangerous. It is but only if you hit something.

What people utterly fail to comprehend is that speed does NOT cause accidents.

If speed were a causative factor we should all creep around at 5 mph. The facts are that speed is attributed as a causative factor by untrained police officers attending accident scenes ticking the first available box. What they should tick is the box entitled "driver error" only there isn't one.